{I'm currently still using release version of 7.4}

{This may be of interest mainly to residents of Alberta, Canada}

ATB.COM -- (i.e. Alberta Treasury Branch) is a provincially owned bank in 
Alberta, Canada.  In general it is nicer, and friendlier to use than most 
big commercial banks.  Not so, anymore, with their web page.

In the past 6 months is has gotten more and more difficult to sign-on 
to with Firefox and OpenBSD, as they have tried to make their sites more 
and more bullet proof. 

Now, starting from atb.com it's hard to even get to where one signs into 
personal banking, and to where it requests a username and password.

It seems to go through an amazing number of redirects, and then gets hung 
up in the process.  Sometimes, tapping different cadences with lots of 
control-R or control-F5 sequences, I can get through.  It must be a matter 
of timing.

I guess it works better with other operating systems and/or browsers.  In 
fact I do have much better luck with Chromium + OpenBSD although not 
always.

I'd prefer to use Firefox, so long as it exists semi-independently of 
monsters like Google. 

So, if anyone is interested, perhaps it would be nice if we could qualify 
to the ATB web page design team, what doesn't work well for everybody, 
and if anything they are doing is beyond being reasonable.

I also wonder if anyone has problems with Firefox and other operating 
systems, accessing ATB.COM, and even getting to the personal sign in page.

Additionally, even getting that far, doesn't guarantee one actually can 
get beyond the next sequence of redirects, when signing in.  It only works 
about half the time, from that point.

An additional reason, for us Albertans, to try to keep ATB.COM from going 
outside the normal bounds of web site protection, and hence making it work 
only from certain operating systems and browsers, is that the Alberta 
Government has become so sold on their toy bank, and it's website 
developers, that they have recently decided to put that team in charge of 
all the website development for the government of Alberta, which means I 
won't even be able to access my health records -- the online ability to do 
that they are so proud of....

Whew... apologies for that run on sentence, above.

Anyone game to help push the point?

Sure, this is not really just an OpenBSD project question, but the project 
does have it's origins here in Alberta.... 

One doesn't have to be a resident of Alberta to see the problem (try it) 
-- but I am curious if the trend towards using timing to allow access to 
web sites is going to become more and more common, and how to fight back.

Austin

Milk River, Alberta




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