On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 05:08:01PM +0200, Federico Giannici wrote:

> On 4/11/24 16:15, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 03:36:29PM +0200, Federico Giannici wrote:
> > > On 4/11/24 14:12, Nick Holland wrote:
> > > > On 4/11/24 05:47, Federico Giannici wrote:
> > > > > We have a server with A LOT of files in some directories (an email
> > > > > server in maildir format).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Since we upgraded from OpenBSD amd64 7.3 to 7.5 (passing through 7.4) 
> > > > > it
> > > > > became very very very slow to access these large directories!
> > > > ,,,
> > > > You may be being bitten by the removal of softdeps (soft updates)
> > > > in 7.4 more than the availability of a knob to twist.  This was a
> > > > huge hit for some things -- I had one backup job go from a couple
> > > > hours to eight or so hours.  However, it turned out that increase
> > > > in time has not inconvenienced me at all, and some random lockups
> > > > related to softdeps have gone away.  Overall, win for me (the
> > > > fscks after a lockup took hours, too, not to mention all the time
> > > > and effort spent replacing part after part assuming it was a HW
> > > > issue).
> > > > 
> > > > As I understand it...there were known (known unknown?) bugs in the
> > > > softdep code, the code was ugly, and it made it difficult to
> > > > actually improve the code.
> > > 
> > > No, we knew that softdeps were being deprecated and we removed from
> > > everywhere some time ago. It must be something else.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, it's strange that dirhash parameters has being changed and removed
> > > without any mention...
> > 
> > It was not (this is on -current amd64):
> > vfs.ffs.dirhash_dirsize=2560
> > vfs.ffs.dirhash_maxmem=5242880
> > vfs.ffs.dirhash_mem=4832510
> > 
> > Are you sure your kernel and userland are in sync?
> 
> Well, I followed the prescribed procedure (I'm using OpenBSD since... about
> 20 years).
> 
> In EVERY machine upgraded to 7.5 now I have something like this:
> 
> Elrond:/home/giannici$ sysctl vfs.ffs
> 
> 
> 
> vfs.ffs.dirhash_maxmem=2560
> vfs.ffs.dirhash_mem=5242880
> 
> Elrond:/home/giannici$ uname -a
> 
> 
> 
> OpenBSD Elrond.neomedia.it 7.5 GENERIC.MP#82 amd64
> 
> 
> So, I'm the only one?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

I suspect 

In 
https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_exatern.h.diff?r1=1.45&r2=1.46&f=h

The max_softdeps entry in ffs_extern.h should have been replace by a
{ 0, 0 }

instead of being removed.

        -Otto

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