On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 2:47 AM Anders Andersson <pipat...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 8:24 AM Damian McGuckin <dami...@esi.com.au> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 4 May 2023, Maksim Rodin wrote: > > > > > Is there any problem with fanless x86_64 mini PCs with several NICs, > > > sold on aliexpress? > > > > Maybe, or give up on the rackmount and buy the R86S, as in > > > > https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005004765507664.html > > > > An alternative is to buy 3 APU4s now 3 to cover failures and spares over > > the next few years. Hopefully, they still have some left. > > > > Thanks - Damian > > The R86S looks cute, but on closer inspection it has a fan. They even > crammed *two* fans in there for the taller version. That doesn't > necessarily mean it makes a lot of noise, but if fanless is a strict > requirement for other reasons it's out. [...]
The B1, B2 and B3 models don't have a fan, if the comparison table is to be believed. That said, I did a bit of research on buying these no-name Chinese boxes from Amazon and AliExpress, and decided to get one from Amazon since I can return it in 30-days in case it does not work. Got a Minisforum GK41 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0899N2L6T/) It is not fanless and has two gigabit realtek NICs'. I currently have OpenBSD 7.3 installed on it, and noticed the wireless module is not supported (anyways I don't need that). The BIOS is customized AMI Bios, and there seems to be no way to upgrade it (which I expected). The build quality is reasonable, and I can barely hear the fan at a feet distance. dmesg below. Thanks. -ag OpenBSD 7.3 (GENERIC.MP) #1125: Sat Mar 25 10:36:29 MDT 2023 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 8367906816 (7980MB) avail mem = 8094904320 (7719MB) random: good seed from bootblocks mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 3.2 @ 0x79857000 (18 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "GB7 0.08" date 05/25/2021 bios0: BESSTAR TECH LIMITED GK41 efi0 at bios0: UEFI 2.7 efi0: American Megatrends rev 0x5000d acpi0 at bios0: ACPI 6.2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP FPDT FIDT MSDM MCFG SSDT DBG2 DBGP HPET LPIT APIC NPKT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT TPM2 DMAR WDAT NHLT WSMT acpi0: wakeup devices HDAS(S3) XHC_(S4) XDCI(S4) RP01(S4) PXSX(S4) RP02(S4) PXSX(S4) RP03(S4) PXSX(S4) RP04(S4) PXSX(S4) RP05(S4) PXSX(S4) RP06(S4) PXSX(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimcfg0 at acpi0 acpimcfg0: addr 0xe0000000, bus 0-255 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 19200000 Hz acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee00000: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1994.48 MHz, 06-7a-08 cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu0: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 19MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.0.2.4.2.1.1, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1994.48 MHz, 06-7a-08 cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu1: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1994.48 MHz, 06-7a-08 cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu2: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu2: smt 0, core 2, package 0 cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 6 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1994.48 MHz, 06-7a-08 cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,TSC_ADJUST,SGX,SMEP,ERMS,MPX,RDSEED,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,SHA,UMIP,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES cpu3: 24KB 64b/line 6-way D-cache, 32KB 64b/line 8-way I-cache, 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu3: smt 0, core 3, package 0 ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec00000, version 20, 120 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 4 (RP01) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 5 (RP02) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP03) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP04) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 3 (RP05) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP06) acpipci0 at acpi0 PCI0: 0x00000000 0x00000011 0x00000001 "ESSX8336" at acpi0 not configured acpicmos0 at acpi0 glkgpio0 at acpi0 GPO1 uid 1 addr 0xd0c40000/0xcef irq 14, 80 pins glkgpio1 at acpi0 GPO0 uid 2 addr 0xd0c50000/0xaff irq 14, 80 pins glkgpio2 at acpi0 GPO2 uid 3 addr 0xd0c90000/0x7bf irq 15, 20 pins glkgpio3 at acpi0 GPO3 uid 4 addr 0xd0c80000/0x82f irq 14, 35 pins acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB "INT33A1" at acpi0 not configured tpm0 at acpi0 TPM_ 2.0 (CRB) addr 0xfed40000/0x5000, device 0x00000000 rev 0x0 "PNP0C0B" at acpi0 not configured acpipwrres0 at acpi0: DRST acpipwrres1 at acpi0: DRST acpipwrres2 at acpi0: DRST acpipwrres3 at acpi0: DRST acpipwrres4 at acpi0: DRST acpipwrres5 at acpi0: DRST acpipwrres6 at acpi0: WRST acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3(10@150 mwait.1@0x60), C2(10@50 mwait.1@0x21), C1(1000@1 mwait.1@0x1), PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3(10@150 mwait.1@0x60), C2(10@50 mwait.1@0x21), C1(1000@1 mwait.1@0x1), PSS acpicpu2 at acpi0: C3(10@150 mwait.1@0x60), C2(10@50 mwait.1@0x21), C1(1000@1 mwait.1@0x1), PSS acpicpu3 at acpi0: C3(10@150 mwait.1@0x60), C2(10@50 mwait.1@0x21), C1(1000@1 mwait.1@0x1), PSS acpipwrres7 at acpi0: FN00, resource for FAN0 acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature is 95 degC acpivideo0 at acpi0: GFX0 acpivout0 at acpivideo0: DD1F cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1994 MHz: speeds: 2001, 2000, 1900, 1800, 1700, 1600, 1500, 1400, 1300, 1200, 1100, 1000, 900, 800 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake Host" rev 0x06 "Intel Gemini Lake DPTF" rev 0x06 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 not configured inteldrm0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel UHD Graphics 600" rev 0x06 drm0 at inteldrm0 inteldrm0: msi, GEMINILAKE, gen 9 azalia0 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake HD Audio" rev 0x06: msi azalia0: no supported codecs "Intel Gemini Lake MEI" rev 0x06 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 not configured ahci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake AHCI" rev 0x06: msi, AHCI 1.3.1 ahci0: PHY offline on port 0 ahci0: port 1: 6.0Gb/s scsibus1 at ahci0: 32 targets sd0 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: <ATA, VICKTER SSD, SBFQ> naa.0000000000000000 sd0: 122104MB, 512 bytes/sector, 250069680 sectors, thin ppb0 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake PCIE" rev 0xf6: msi pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 "Atheros QCA9377" rev 0x31 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not configured ppb1 at pci0 dev 19 function 1 "Intel Gemini Lake PCIE" rev 0xf6: msi pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 re0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x15: RTL8168H/8111H (0x5400), msi, address 84:47:09:1d:30:eb rgephy0 at re0 phy 7: RTL8251 PHY, rev. 0 ppb2 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 "Intel Gemini Lake PCIE" rev 0xf6: msi pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 re1 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8168" rev 0x15: RTL8168H/8111H (0x5400), msi, address 84:47:09:1d:30:ea rgephy1 at re1 phy 7: RTL8251 PHY, rev. 0 ppb3 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake PCIE" rev 0xf6 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 ppb4 at pci0 dev 20 function 1 "Intel Gemini Lake PCIE" rev 0xf6 pci5 at ppb4 bus 5 xhci0 at pci0 dev 21 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake xHCI" rev 0x06: msi, xHCI 1.0 usb0 at xhci0: USB revision 3.0 uhub0 at usb0 configuration 1 interface 0 "Intel xHCI root hub" rev 3.00/1.00 addr 1 dwiic0 at pci0 dev 22 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake I2C" rev 0x06: apic 1 int 27 iic0 at dwiic0 "ESSX8336" at iic0 addr 0x11 not configured dwiic1 at pci0 dev 22 function 3 "Intel Gemini Lake I2C" rev 0x06: apic 1 int 30 iic1 at dwiic1 sdhc0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake eMMC" rev 0x06: apic 1 int 39 sdhc0: SDHC 3.0, 200 MHz base clock sdmmc0 at sdhc0: 8-bit, sd high-speed, mmc high-speed, ddr52, dma pcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 "Intel Gemini Lake LPC" rev 0x06 ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 "Intel Gemini Lake SMBus" rev 0x06: apic 1 int 20 iic2 at ichiic0 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 vmm0 at mainbus0: VMX/EPT efifb at mainbus0 not configured sdmmc0: can't enable card ugen0 at uhub0 port 7 "AsureWave product 0x3503" rev 1.10/0.01 addr 2 vscsi0 at root scsibus2 at vscsi0: 256 targets softraid0 at root scsibus3 at softraid0: 256 targets root on sd0a (f7ccc216e3841ff5.a) swap on sd0b dump on sd0b drm:pid0:intel_step_init *WARNING* [drm] Unknown revid 0x06 drm:pid92573:dmc_load_work_fn *NOTICE* [drm] Failed to load DMC firmware i915/glk_dmc_ver1_04.bin. Disabling runtime power management. inteldrm0: 1024x768, 32bpp wsdisplay0 at inteldrm0 mux 1 wsdisplay0: screen 0-5 added (std, vt100 emulation) re0: watchdog timeout re1: watchdog timeout re0: watchdog timeout uslcom0 at uhub0 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0 "Silicon Labs CP2104 USB to UART Bridge Controller" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 3 ucom0 at uslcom0 portno 0
