On 2/13/06, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 13 February 2006 13:51, dereck wrote:
> > This is getting ridiculous!  The guy said he was under
> > attack.(!)  What is the point of a _misc_ list anyway?
> >  He's not clogging the dev list!
> >
> > The responses here are totally out of line.  Haven't
> > any of you guys EVER had a desperate situation before?
>
> Dereck,
>
> Thanks for the support. However, my situation is not desparate.
> By refusing to answer a question to which he indicated he had an
> answer, Ted has left all of us hanging as to whether he *really*
> knows what the differences are between the capabilities of pf and bpf.
>  *I* could certainly not testify that Ted actually knows the answer to
> that question as he claims to. :-)

If he can code rthreads, I think it's pretty safe to say he
understands the differences between bpf and pf, those seem like some
really inflammatory remarks to me. If you bother to take some time to
read the manuals instead of expecting to be spoon fed the information
on the mailing list, then you'll learn a lot more, as well as not get
flamed by others on the list. Ted has much better things to do (like
make rthreads kick even more ass) than to answer silly questions by a
user who is too lazy to read.

>
> (BTW, I had read the bpf man page and, frankly, I couldn't make
> any sense out of it on first reading. I started getting a better idea
> of bpf by the time I started reading the freebsd bpf man page,
> but then I started wondering "why bother with bpf? How do I
> even use it?". It must have a useful purpose or it wouldn't be in OpenBSD.)

You cannot learn all there is to know about bpf and how to effectively
use it in 10 minutes, so you, personally, do NOT need to use bpf at
all. It's what the other utilities like pf and tcpdump use to do what
they do. The utilities are nice user friendly wrappers to the bpf
interfaces, and someone with your experience (lack there of?) should
probably not be touching bpf directly. bpf is very powerful and very
useful, but you really need to understand a lot more than what you
have grasped so far to use bpf effectively.

Jason

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