On 09/04/18 00:57, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:
> But - The thing that isn't mentioned here is basically Power Cost and
> Consumption vs PPS(Packet Processing Speed).
> 
> IMNSHO running on anything that doesn't ;
> 
> A) Have passive Cooling
> B) Is older than a couple of years (in intel/amd terms anything with a
> TDPW above 65W)
> 
>  - is probably not a great idea. Mainly because the on-going cost of
> supplying power to old junkers isn't worth what you can do with a
> 'newish' junker.
> 
> If you have free electricity, feel free to do what you like I guess.

TDP is the MAXIMUM power draw.  MAXIMUM (and of only the CPU)
Your OpenBSD firewall isn't going to be running at the maximum power
consumption on a P4 or newer processor very often or very long.  For
home use, you really care about idle power draw and the ability of the
HW to do the job.

Every era has its "The Answer Is" system, this year, it's PCengines and
ARM/Octeon.  Before, it was Soekris.  People get stupid with that stuff.

What's "greener", keeping something out of a landfill that draws 40w or
something brand new that draws 15W?  How many years do you have to run
the 15W system to pay for the cost of it?  How much is your time spent
fighting with its quirks worth?  Will it pay off before your ISP ups
your downlink speed to the point where your barely-does-the-job HW is
now "can't do the job"?

Some old P3/P4 systems have very modest power consumptions when idle.
Get yourself a wattmeter, and see what you have.  After install, remove
power from the CD/DVD, maybe some of the case fans, and maybe consider a
USB flash drive to boot.  Slow the clock speed, remove some RAM.  Pull
out the sound card/modem/whatever.

And when things break, unless you just HAPPEN to have a serial terminal
infrastructure laying around, an ol' keyboard and monitor used to debug
your system will beat the heck out of finding a USB to Serial adapter
and a null modem cable when you need it.

Heck, I have a serial infrastructure in my life, and I'm really
wondering if my serial-only firewall is worth the pain.  I recently
moved from a USB drive to a real hard disk because while it draws more
power, it boots and works a LOT faster (kernel and library randomization
is horrible on USB flash drives).

I get the "I hate Intel" thing, but unfortunately, most of the non-Intel
systems show why Intel (and AMD) own the serious computer market.

Nick.

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