On 12/11/05, Ricardo Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Steinfeld, > > if I am understanding you, you want to create a HowTo to help people that > want's to install and use Apache and PHP and there is someone that is > against to create HowTo's ?! > That is it?
Indirectly. You might want to read the previous, "Would it be helpful if.. " thread. > > 2005/12/11, Michael Steinfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > As a recent joiner to this list, I missed the 'heated debate' over > > correctly proposing new educational documentation(or adding to > > existing) vs. writing a HowTo.. > > > > ...though, after perusing the openbsd.org website and trying to > > summize if there is a paradigm in the 'writing structure' of > > documentation, or any mention of propper ettiquete when contributing > > new or updated material I didn't stumble across anything relative (not > > saying it doesn't exist). > > > > I personally find documentation writing tetious and even at times > > agravating. In the journalism world we praise the likes of good > > editors. In no way am I saying that writing concise documentation is > > and should only be an afterthought. In regards to design, > > implementation and documentation; I feel that it is without parallel, > > and extremely appreciated that we communicate our efforts as best as > > we can, even when the mastery of articulation is in doubt. Please try > > to keep in mind that all we don't all share the same brain power. > > > > To talk more about my own 'practical experience' as of late that > > inspired me to write ( for lack of a better word ) a "howto". > > > > I personally learn the most from any device or product with frequency > > of use; quite often I have to break it a few times first ( which is > > the fun part, for me ). > > > > Note: It's been sometime that I have run OpenBSD being that I had > > changed careers temporarily. > > > > In the last few weeks I decided I wanted to host most of my web > > services in my home. What better oppurtunity to use OpenBSD. I > > downloaded the install ISO and was well on may way.... being that one > > of the main purposes of this box is to serve up web pages, I > > investigated the openbsd FAQ, and trawled through the mailing list. I > > have to admit that I suffer slightly from ADD, so reading large > > amounts of documentation to me can be very challenging. > > > > I remembered my previous expereince with chroot and jail environments > > from 6 years ago, when I adminstered a few OpenBSD and FreeBSD boxes. > > I do not claim to have a PHD in C.S. In fact, I see myself more as a > > user with some fundamental knowledge and basic programming expereince. > > I do thoroughly enjoy, anything unix or unix-like as a hobby. I, like > > many others, get to enjoy the results of others hardwork and wish I > > was equally as talented, and hope that I am on my way to one day being > > so, so that I can give back to what has so freely been given to me > > (plug: Or purchased at a really low price as a great stocking stuffer > > selfishly for myself ). > > > > My entire aproach may have been wrong in regards to installing Apache > > 2.2, PHP 5.1.1, and MySQL. Then again it may have served it's purpose > > based on my intentions and goals, which were to educate myself on How > > it can be done, and if my skill level was capable of achieving it. > > > > Keep in mind that I am using my OpenBSD box, in a non-production > environment. > > > > Personally, if I was using my OpenBSD box in production environment, I > > would use the httpd 1.3 version that the OpenBSD developers ( who are > > much more talented than I am ) have spent a lot of time enhancing, > > auditing, debugging and securing for the latest release. In any case, > > I am not as talented. > > > > So I continued my apache 2.2, php 5.1.1, mysql 5 chroot'ed project. > > Which for me was exhausting and frustrating. None the less, as a > > result I had spent countless hours skimming documentation which > > immensely increased my understand of this wonderful operating > > environment. > > > > It took me 6 hours of straight trial and error to successfully achieve > > this. Mainly due to apache2's APR annoyance's and having to create a > > small lovely read only partition for my new /dev/null ... not to > > mention the fun I had using ktrace, kdump, gdb, chroot, and other > > various tools I have not used in quite a long time ( which of course, > > I had to read about in the man pages ). > > > > Thanks, > > --Mike Steinfeld > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "please note that the 'isgreat' part of my email address is humor from > > my lovely fiance, not a reflection of my ego, but does not negate the > > fact that sometimes my ego is ridiculously inflated for no just cause, > > purpose or understanding of why..... It just is" > > > > > > > > > -- > My apologies for my bad english! > > Ricardo Lucas
