The ironic thing is that OpenBSD is being widely used in the world's largest 
tissue engineering labs -- which, and as crazy as it might seem, should be able 
to generate new eyes for blind people (based on their existing cells) in 5-10 
years from now.

O.D.

On 7. juli 2013 at 11:41 AM, "ropers" <rop...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>You could try buying a USB-to-serial adapter or two. Simpler ones
>aren't that expensive. These generally have limitations for
>technical/electrical reasons: E.g. some serial devices may expect 
>to
>be able to draw more juice than USB ports have. The gold standard
>would be an optically isolated adapter with transient voltage
>suppressors and an independent power supply – but using even a 
>simple
>one just for console redirection ought to work. Ought to. I haven't
>actually tried this and I do not currently own a USB-to-serial
>adapter.
>
>Anyway, you would stick one of these into your laptop and then 
>connect
>a null modem cable from that to another computer that has a serial
>port. If your desktop computer doesn't have a serial port (WTF? 
>I've
>never heard of that.), then you could do the same thing in reverse
>with another USB-to-serial adapter. Once you have the console
>redirected to serial, you could use a terminal emulator in 
>connection
>with a screen reader to actually read that console output to you on
>the other computer at the other end of the cable.
>
>To be really good for you, this might however require a change in 
>the
>installer: Maybe the "Change the default console to com0?" question
>could be moved "up" or duplicated, i.e. it would be asked very 
>early
>on, pretty much as the first installer question, and there would 
>take
>effect immediately, and maybe beep as well when asked. This would 
>be a
>change to the installer (that I can't submit), but it oughtn't 
>really
>take up that much additional space on the boot floppy.
>
>I admit this is idle speculation from an almost good-for-nothing
>hanger-on, but I thought I'd share these ideas; maybe they'll end 
>up
>actually helping you.
>
>I know this would be relying on you retrofitting legacy tech 
>(RS232),
>and I admit that the inclusion of full-on native screen reader and
>Braille terminal support in some installer USB stick might be 
>easier
>for you, but in terms of the least effort overall to get something
>that works, the console redirection might be easier overall, since
>building and maintaining an all-singing, all-dancing USB stick
>installer with all that good stuff included (and vetted for
>vulnerabilities) would be a lot more additional work.
>
>Good luck!
>ropers
>
>On 7 July 2013 04:43, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> what hardware? my laptop machine. also, its new enough that the 
>only serial it
>> has is USB (which, as far as I know, doesn't support sserial 
>redirection). I
>> also have a desktop machine and its new enough not to have any 
>classic serial
>> ports either. so, no redirection there either.
>> and since there is no way for me to actually tell when it boots, 
>getting to a
>> login prompt and then redirecting the screen output is not 
>entirely possible
>> without someone sitting right there to tell me whats going on.
>>
>> This isn't anything like the old sparc pizza boxes where you 
>could do this at
>> the outset and actually have it work the first time.
>>
>> anyway, thats the rub for me. I like the OS, but this is the 
>show stopper for
>> me.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Alexander Hall wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Letting the installer redirect the console to com0 does not cut 
>it? What
>> hardware are we talking about?
>>>
>>> /Alexander

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