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I'm not a Developer, Maintainer or anything else. Strictly a user. 1. Thank you to all the Developers who take time to make a product and frankly give a dam about the work and quality of it. ( Wish car makers did the same! ) 2. Even though I am not a Developer or fully understand what is going on. Taking time to send an email out of respect to a person or persons generally cause less grief. At least in my experience.. No matter how hurtful the truth is. Truth is truth and things can heal when all is placed on the table. 3. If/When this Fork comes out I may give it a test run but all the points each of you have made will make me rethink and read more before I do. 4. The short time I've been around. Theo.. Thank you for being you! Speaking your mind and keeping track. I would ask if you are ex-military but that does not matter. You give a dam about a project that is your baby and keep things in the right. Strong opinionated but very fair and level on your thoughts. That's my cent of thoughts. OBSD is my main OS and will continue to be! Even when I want to shoot my self in the foot when I don't understand how to do something at the 3rd time round reading the man page. Taking C classes now and at some point I hope to give back with more then monetary donations instead of lurking. Thank you Cody On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Theo de Raadt <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org>wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:59:16AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Ariane wants to be involved as well, but is still waiting to > > > see how others in the project feel. > > > > I've changed from waiting to being involved. > > > > And in Theo's interest in breaking secrecy: I've stepped down from > > maintaining uvm. Why? Politics between me and Theo. > > About 2 weeks ago ariane came to me privately to say this: > > 1) That 4 weeks ago she had become aware the fork did in fact exist, > counter to previous assertions all the people now working on bitrig > had gotten from their boss Marco. > 2) Had _just_ now decided to mention it to me. > 3) Also _just now_ had decided to on a desire to work on on both projects. > 4) Want to know if this would be ok; if there would be consequences. > > And finally: > > 5) For the last 4 weeks had been too busy to tell us, working 12 hour days. > > I said I would not decide, but to ask all the developers. > > However, instantly I recognized that the last part (5), about having > too busy to tell us, was not truthful. > > The truth is, ariane did not tell us because of _fear_. And I can > understand that, there are many people upset to various levels about > these happenings. However, wrapping that up in a lie about having > been too busy is a not good. Those 4 weeks were spent mulling over > whether to be part of that fork and how to tell us, not by being too > busy with work. > > Therefore, ariane, I do not believe that you found out something so > politically big, sat on it for 4 weeks because of being too busy, and > then suddenly decide to disclose it and the desire to be part of it. > > And that is not political. I feel that I (and others in the project) > have been lied to in that part. > > > I'm unhappy > > with how the situation of the fork was handled. > > The situation of the fork was handled entirely by Marco Peereboom -- > your boss. > > > I've been collateral in > > the whole matter twice and taken it in stride. > > Yes, we are all blameless. Especially people at that company, who all > claim they got too busy to tell others that they were too busy. > > > I've expressed interest > > in the fork and am now suspect/tainted. > > Certainly you are: You misled us. > > > Third time's the charm. > > Discussions between me and Theo now trigger anger with both of us, > > which is not conducive to OpenBSD or our fellow developers. > > I was not angry in my mail -- I was truthful and exact. > > A diff was sent which adds a non-standard flag to mmap() to accelerate > realloc() performance. For years the project has had an attitude that > adding extensions to standardized system calls should be a last > resort. Rather than discuss this with developers, ariane went and > spent time, and then mailed in a diff -- asking only for an OK. Not > requesting the start of a larger discussion, but only asking for an > OK. > > In a reply to that diff, I > > (1) explained my continued reluctance for such non-standard flags. > > (2) I also explained that this was a poor time to put such changes > into the tree with a coming hackathon, followed by the lock to our > next release soon after. > > (3) I also then explained that due to recent events (recently two, > serious repairs had to be made to ariane's uvm changes without ariane > being around), I am pessimistic about the commitment level for such > big changes in the tree. Normally a way around this is to test them > as uncommited diffs in the snapshot builds, but I only do that for > people who I totally trust (one reason is that mistakes can be quite > costly, as I can damage 12 build environments in one go), and quite > frankly, I do not trust Ariane nearly as much as before. > > At that point, Ariane got seriously angry, and has now resigned. > > > I cannot commit to uvm under those circumstances. > > Unfortunate.
