Hi Richard,
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 01:05:15PM -0500, Richard Thornton wrote: > One other thing which I forgot to add to my last email, my father always > used to remind me that "there are no stupid questions," but it appears to > me that your openbsd group does not hold to that adage. We do prefer if you've done some research of your own too. Nick pointing you at the faq was a polite suggestion (although I guess it didn't come across as such). Using the same jargon as the rest of the mailing list helps reduce confusion, which is the main reason of us telling you to read it. > Most questions are judged as being some level of "stupid" and the person > who asked the "stupid" question is judged accordingly. One is either > "lazy" or "can't read", or "too stupid" to read the very "well written > FAQS", etc.. Actually, if it was unclear, I'd really like to hear about it. > Whatever, so you guys have a great OS for yourselves. Excellent. Personally, I do enjoy others using it too. And not just because it makes me happy that they run my code. :) > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Jan Stary <h...@stare.cz> wrote: > > On Jan 21 09:44:14, Richard Thornton wrote: [snip: pointless flame fest] > > > On Jan 21, 2012 9:25 AM, "Jan Stary" <h...@stare.cz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 21 07:18:37, Richard Thornton wrote: > > > > > > > It works for me now. I don't care about your precious FAQS. The faq, manuals, documentation, they're all part of making this OS into an actual OS, rather than a jumble of code. They're also there for your convenience: finding the answer in the faq and manuals is a lot quicker than waiting for a mail reply. Not to mention that people get annoyed if you show blatant disregard for them. I lack sufficient context to determine if you're responding because you thought you were being verbally abused or if you genuinely don't care. I hope it's not the latter. > > > > > > You are not supposed to care about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are supposed to read at least the absolute basics if you > > > > > > have trouble even figuring out which version you are installing. > > > > > > > > On Jan 21 08:54:49, Richard Thornton wrote: > > > > > How do you know I did not read any docs? The fact is I did but I > > did not > > > > > under stand that version#65 was not in fact the release found on the > > > > > prepackaged disk. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the very first lines of FAQ 5.1: > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > There are three "flavors" of OpenBSD: > > > > > > > > -release: The version of OpenBSD shipped every six months on CD. > > > > -stable: Release, plus patches considered critical to security and > > > > reliability. > > > > -current: Where new development work is presently being > > > > done, and eventually, it will turn into the next release. > > > > ---- And here, I'm left wondering how you missed that and am genuinely curious. Maybe it was in a non-obvious place, or how to correlate uname output to this was unclear? > > > > You still want to maintain that you have read it, > > > > or do you really have trouble understanding it? I did have some trouble finding this specific text. It's in section 5 - Building the System from Source. Not really the first place I'd look if I did an install and was dealing with packages. > > > > If you bought the official CD of the 5.0 release, > > > > as you claim, then what you installed from it is the 5.0 release. I was under the impression that he'd installed first, then sent money. Anyways, downloading from the website is not uncommon, even if you buy the CDs. He may have decided to download, because the CDs take some time to arrive... I'm sorry you got flamed. When I started using openbsd, I was amazed that I could use the manuals to look things up. All of the system is documented, the documentation is up-to-date, the FAQ tells what's important to get started. And we're proud of that. The documentation is the other stuff, the ports and the code. If they malfunction, it's a bug that needs to be fixed. Most bugs are found by users. But getting that into an actual fix requires feedback, which we don't get by flaming them into the next world! -- Ariane
