On 6/29/05, Matthew S Elmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jason Crawford wrote: > > > So just because I'm too poor to get a colocated server, if I want to > > run my own mail server, I'm just shit out of luck? > > Yes.
This is something that should be fixed, no? > > > That seems unacceptable to me. > > Life sucks. > I realized this fact long ago. > > > Look, I do not want this to turn into a flamewar. Those are reserved for > slashdot, not [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was not targeting you, nor did I mean to > imply > that if you are comcast customer, you are by assocation an idiot. I'm Then don't say the Comcast user-base are idiots. Say, the general public seem to not understand computers and the Internet, therefore causing this problem, or something along those lines. I know many, many smart Comcast customers, in computers or other fields of knowledge. > sure you will agree that the vast majority of comcast users are, > however. This is why comcast (and other major providers, bellsouth, > networktel, etc.) are the first to end up on spam blacklists. They are not idiots, they just don't know how to use a computer properly. No one is an idiot because they don't know everything about everything, otherwise we're all idiots (which we aren't). I'm not trying to sound PC, but it's really just rude to say "Hey, you are all idiots!". > > I fight this stuff every day. It's an uphill battle, and with the > current tools, sometimes heavyhanded blacklists are the only way to keep > mail traffic at a reasonable level. You would be astounded at the amount > of viruses and spam from trojaned broadband connections will affect a > mail server hostings hundreds of virtual domains and thousands of users. I highly doubt I'd be astounded. I've seen some pretty amazing shit in my line of work, and I wasn't born yesterday. Working in the field for a while, purposefully not focusing in a specific area, has let me experience many cool and frightening things, spam being the least of them. > > Unfortunately, there is no perfect compromise. If you find one, please > let me know! The closest to a perfect compromise at this point seems to be grey-listing and grey-trapping, with little to no black-lists at all in OpenBSD's spamd, which I've mentioned before. I guarantee you'll catch almost all, if not all, of the spam that would be sent from blacklisted hosts anyways, so it's not extra work for you there. The best solution, start educating users, make spam non-profitable, and it will diminish. Blacklists only make the problem worse, because it causes you to say, problem solved, when indeed it's not at all. This has really gone OT so if you would like to continue this discussion, please email me offlist. Jason
