since a lot of freebsd developers are now attacking me in private for
a mail i sent to their lists, and i am entirely bored of their private
attacks, I am just going to send it all here so that people can make
their own judgement of is transpiring.

btw, this is about reyk's talk at bsdcan, the slides are at

        http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan05-wlan

for background, please re-read

        http://kerneltrap.org/node/4818

now perhaps i can go back to what i was doing.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: lies
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 10:26:07 -0600
From: Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Other people who were there did not hear "Laws don't apply to us".
You did, becuase you are being paid to have that agenda.

I have a question: shall we take this public, or shall you start
making apologies?  Even if you are speaking within a smaller
community, you are still trying to slant them towards an agenda which
is an utter and complete lie.

Yes, you have spies on your internal lists, and you will have more as
the time goes by because most people are sensitive to such lies.

So apology, or public, which will it be?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Poul-Henning Kamp)
Subject: BSDcan saturday
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

First talk was OpenBSD's wireless talk.  Much rethoric about freedom
and little appreciation for the way the world actually works, as
opposed to how it looks like it works from the headquarters of
OpenBSD.

Asked directly if they thought they could defend their reverse
engineering of for instance the Atheros HAL.  The answer as I heard
it was "Laws don't apply to us".

I guess I'm not the right person to appreciate the valor of their
crusade, but somehow their rethoric reminds me too much about Rote
Arme Fraktion and similar terrorgroups of the seventies which tried
to change society by bombing political correct holes in it.

If OpenBSD aims to corner the paranoid/radical part of the market
they're welcome to it for all I care.

Doesn't sound like it is doing anything good for their wireless
support however.
[...]

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