heard on the whatbitcoindid podcast with yeastplume that the man worked on 
smartcards before grin... can't wait to hear his hardware wallet ideas. clever 
plume of yeast. (sorry Michael I can't call you michael when its either that or 
yeastplume).

if it's credit card sized and all you need is to give businesses terminals to 
connect to the network then we only have the same issues mastercard has at 
proliferation. except I'm not sure how you program a smartcard... users will 
have to get nfc/magnetic terminals for their homes to do add value to them?

mostly just wanted to say that the mainest dev grin has is a smart card pro so 
I have high hopes.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:12 AM, Simon B. <simon.boh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Idea for discussion:
>
> a minimal grin "daily small spends wallet", what does it need?
> 1. db of owned UTXOs, say a `grin wallet backup` output.
> 2. private key material
> 3. crypto functions + power. battery?
> 4. 2-way communication with recipient.
>
> Anything more, if it's only for spending?
> Does a grin payer need to be fully synched with chain head actually?
>
> - bad to defer publishing + Dandelion to the receiving node?
>
> - no Merkle proofs handled by this wallet
>
> - no capability to spend change transactions until after 1. refresh.
>
> Goal platform: embedded (rust, yay!) or even a Java card or NFC device. Bonus 
> if form factor means security won't take it from you. Java on a "nfc credit 
> card" format is maybe the easiest psychologically if we target global 
> adoption.
>
> If the above is too minimal, how about a short horizon validating node. 
> Potentially ring buffered, RAM only.
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