On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Jose Fonseca <jfons...@vmware.com> wrote: > If LLVM was a useless piece of junk, we wouldn't have any trouble adding it > as a dependency, as we would be the sole user. But precisely because LLVM > is successful in so many use cases, hence several packages depend on it, we > shouldn't depend, so we can avoid the dealing with the oh-so-hard dependency > issue!? I find it ridiculous: it's precisely because LLVM is potentially > that good that it makes sense for us/distros/everybody to put up with the > dependencies issues it may bring, and worth considering.
It sounds like there are enough people in the Mesa community that are familiar with LLVM and interested in using it in the GLSL compiler that there would be someone willing to start working on it. Hopefully that's the case. I tried going through the LLVM language frontend tutorial on LLVM.org and only had to get to chapter 4 (the first two chapters don't use LLVM) before the code didn't compile (and I couldn't figure out why) with LLVM 3.4 on my system. I found this [1] tiny example (not updated for 2 years) using the C API and thought it'd probably not work either, but was happily surprised that it compiled and worked fine. I see that the C API is used in radeonsi and gallivm in Mesa. Here's what I think would be compelling: Using the stable C API, translate from GLSL IR into LLVM IR. Call LLVM's optimizations. Give backends the option to consume LLVM IR. From here we can evaluate just how significant the improvement from LLVM's optimizer is. At least two people have written GLSL IR -> LLVM translators in the past -- Luca Barbieri (what ever happened to him?!) and Vincent Lejeune (Cc'd). Their code is [2] and [3]. I think this plan would also fit nicely with existing LLVM backends, potentially avoiding a trip through TGSI. I think this is strictly superior to other ideas like throwing out the GLSL frontend and translating LLVM IR back "up" to the higher level GLSL IR. So, maybe some people experienced with LLVM from VMware and AMD are interested in taking the lead? [1] https://github.com/wickedchicken/llvm-c-example [2] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~anholt/mesa/log/?h=llvm-4 (Eric's branch based on Luca's code) [3] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~vlj/mesa/ (one of the glsl-to-llvm* branches) _______________________________________________ mesa-dev mailing list mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev
