I would love to ask you how you plan to use the problem list. We have
tried pretty hard to use it (in test). It is an alphabetic list of
problems (not orderable by importance or urgency) and a problem can't be
edited after is entered. It can be deleted and re-entered but not
edited.

Also like the update med list in AOM, it's one more thing that the
provider has to do FIRST (or separately and re-import formatted data)
before they start the HP. The med list and the problem list are not
accessible to update from within the documentation (Allergies are and
that is great).  MT plans to fix but not sure when.  What is your
workflow?

The other huge thing that I hope you have found about provider
documentation is that if a PCM template uses any kind of query mapped to
an EMR ID and a provider begins a document on the wrong pt, realizes the
error and cancels the document, the information flows to the EMR anyway.
The document is cancelled but any info entered on a query flows to the
EMR anyway. This goes for never saved, pending, draft, cancelled.
Basically there is no undo function similar to what PCS has.

MT realizes that this is an issue (understatement) and is addressing but
they are not sure yet when this will be fixed.

We are trying to figure out if 1) we can go with query based history at
all and have a back end audit function for any cancelled report with a
query mapped to an EMR id or 2) have to stick with strictly free text
until this is fixed by MT.

We would like to proceed with 1) so we can share history across visits
and provider types but we haven't devised the audit or resources
required yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Grolla, Cindy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Deignan Marianne; Meditech L
Subject: RE: [MEDITECH-L] Sharing documentation of patient history.
Sharing theEMR

That is what we are attempting as well with the "core history".  Trying
to reconcile that with the "problem list" is another angle we are trying
to figure out.  In the clinics they will enter the PMH from a
"standardized" form that the patient completes.  This is at an education
level for patients.  After entering that information in the system I
believe the providers will need to enter the "problem list" which is
accessible in the EMR summary screen in 5.5, SR4.  It seems somewhat
redundant and we are wondering how other sites maintain a PMH that is
accurate and a Medical Problem list that is up to date.

Do the providers maintain the "problem list"?  
Do the providers also correct the PMH that is in the system?  In the
clinic modules that is how the system is set up.

Cindy Grolla, RN
Clinical Project Leader
Phone: 507.646.1209
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From: Deignan Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:34 AM
To: Grolla, Cindy; Meditech L
Subject: RE: [MEDITECH-L] Sharing documentation of patient history.
Sharing theEMR

Our share documentation plan is evolving. We are working on developing a
shared core history. This core history recalls for all users "where
possible" but we are still working on defining that. All users will be
responsible for clarifying and updating all entries. I know this is
going to be tough going the first few times around for a pt but over
time will get better and better.

Things we know: eliminate "navigation" entries where you get a yes or a
no but there is no comment.  Train all caregivers that any answer yes or
no must have a comment including dates and brief treatment details.
Allow departments to have a specialized history that is more detailed
than the core history and recognize that some of that information still
must be reviewed in the history panel and won't be directly recalled
into caregiver documentation.

-----Original Message-----
From: Grolla, Cindy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:52 PM
To: Deignan Marianne; Meditech L
Subject: RE: [MEDITECH-L] Sharing documentation of patient history.
Sharing theEMR

Please post responses as we are struggling with Standardized PMH as
well.  

We are implementing this PMH data collection in our clinics now and that
information will be flowing to the EMR as well.  The question our
doctors always bring up is who corrects the information?  The nurse does
the initial data entry, the doctor interviews the patient and gets more
detailed information or finds out the information entered by the nurse
is incorrect.  Who goes in and corrects the information - either in the
PCS assessment or the PCM Physician Doc tool.  

Cindy Grolla, RN
Clinical Project Leader
Northfield Hospital
Northfield, MN
Phone: 507.646.1209
Pager: 507.645.1475



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From: meditech-l@MTUsers.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Deignan Marianne
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:42 PM
To: Meditech L
Subject: [MEDITECH-L] Sharing documentation of patient history. Sharing
theEMR

We are live with PCS and about to go live with online provider
documentation through PCM.  Out PCM templates include Patient History.
This history is shared but does not overlap 100% (or even close. much
more history is tracked in queries in PCS than is PCM) to the patient
history tracked in PCS that shows in the EMR.

We are coming to realize that the EMR history section is going to
contain a mix of provider and nurse collected information but from the
first line view you can't tell who documented the information.

Is anyone else planning for this dream state where providers and nurses
share information but then encountering discomfort when you realize that
sharing means sharing?

Marianne Deignan
Berkshire Health System


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