Charlie wrote: “ This becomes the diving board to jump to John's conclusion: we must "encourage any tendencies for any sector of the US working class to start to develop its own independent movement, a movement that would inevitably lead towards building its own independent political party and towards socialism." After points 1) and 2), this is about as helpful as a daubing a gangrenous leg with a napkin.” Indeed Charlie’s critique of John is legitimate yet whichever path leads to the conclusion that we need an independent workers movement that builds the workers party to use class struggle methods to fight for socialism is welcome. Indeed almost every significant and insignificant socialist left is echoing some formulation similar to that. So how to mobilize all these disparate vanguards into a united front for a labor party which mobilizes the workers to step past the union leaders who tie them to the Democrats. Such could start with resolutions in the unions for labor defense of undocumented workers and everyone under attack by the Trump regime. Such is necessary for the class to build a fighting attitude that leads deeper towards forming a party. Of course this is a short window as the 2026 midterms will attract those who promote campaigning for the Democrats away from the project . Which way John will go is of little concern the question is whether vanguard workers can be convinced to take the fight for independence into the unions now. Charles Rachlis On Monday, December 30, 2024, 8:20 PM, Mark Lause via groups.io <markalause=gmail....@groups.io> wrote:
I haven't seen anyone refusing to discuss or work with people who voted Democratic . . . which would fit the definition of "sectarianism." But most of the time I hear this "move on" talk, it reminds me of how groups I've been in never want to do an evaluative balance sheet on a strategy or a tactic or a formulation or a line . . . Which I've always thought helpful, if not essential to the health of the movement. Just On Mon, Dec 30, 2024, 7:35 PM sartesian via groups.io <sartesian=earthlink....@groups.io> wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 02:21 PM, John Reimann wrote: can we also move on? So why do you keep bringing it up? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#34337): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/34337 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/110347339/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
