Of course 'ha e' should have been 'have' and 'godfather' should have been 'gone further' and'the left rights' should be 'the left gets'. Bloody spellcheck . . .
On Thu, 31 Oct 2024, 14:23 John Edmundson via groups.io, <johnedmundson4= gmail....@groups.io> wrote: > As people ha e pointed out numerous times in these discussions, not > calling for a vote for x does not prelude anyone from engaging with people > who do vote for x. The very fact that that discussions keep coming up here > indicates that such conversations are possible. In the real world I engage > with people who vote Labour (in NZ) or who desperately want Harris to win > in the US. I have never found that not having a track record of calling for > a vote for those parties has ever made such conversations more difficult. > > But also, the people calling for votes for those parties almost invariably > godfather than saying it enables engagement. They argue that there is "more > room" to build the left under these administrations. Personally, I find it > gives those parties supporters a sense that the struggle is over for a > while, that "we've had a victory". When the other lot are in people get > more involved, but unfortunately the left rights out there and encourages > them to vote x again . . . > > Comradely, > John > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2024, 09:56 Mark Lause via groups.io, <markalause= > gmail....@groups.io> wrote: > >> " Like his co-thinkers on this question, Artesian doesn't distinguish >> between the leadership and the base of the party and, more exactly, >> between the leadership and the left wing of the party currently represented >> by the DSA." >> >> Again, that distinction has actually been discussed regularly and >> pretending it has not been provides a further indication that the goal here >> is not an honest analysis--to say nothing of a Marxist analysis. >> >> Much of it offers nothing different than you can't get from Joe >> Scarborough every morning or any of your local ward-heelers at the nearest >> bar. And, at least the latter, will buy you a drink while doing so. >> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#33248): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/33248 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108411255/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
