On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 01:24 AM, Michael Meeropol wrote: > > SORRY Duane --- I think the article attempts to present a "NEW DEAL" > between AMerican workers and Capitalists --- It seems simple minded but > the question of whether workers can get much more than "subsistence" (A LA > CAPITAL) and the capitalists still make sufficient profits to reproduce > the system is an "intereseting" question for Marxists. > > AFter all -- the famous passage in CAPITAL that ends with "THE > EXPROPRIATORS ARE EXPROPRIATED" didn't come true --- not even did it come > close in advanced Capitalist countries --- so WHY? WHY has capitalism > been so successful at shape-shifting - > > and if it has done so in the past, maybe the kind of reforms touted by > ANTONIA are possible --- OR MAYBE NOT _-- > > that was the reason I suggested some might want to read it --- not for the > politics but for the economic structure that is recommended .... > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 7:00 PM Duane Filan via groups.io ( > http://groups.io ) <filanduane= gmail....@groups.io > wrote: > >> Michael - "I don't know how many comrades on the list want to bother >> reading this... >> I post [Antonia's] argument here" >> /////// >> >> Antonia's premise - "The Biden-Harris administration has been working >> people's best friend" >> ////////// >> I think Duane is being unnecessarily harsh. I am blanking on the name of >> the Marxist economist who in the 50s raised the question of whether >> Capitalism can live with full employment. >> > >
The left has to fight for structures that shift the balance of power between workers and capitalists. And we have to prepare people to realize that capital will fight to destroy these structures to regain the upper hand. So any auch reform can't be the endgame, which must be workers control of work, and public control of investment. But we can't get to those without some institutional conditions such as Michael and the author have suggested. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I >> >> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32573): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32573 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108696103/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
