If people wants to be heard, they have to post on the marketing list (and possibly participate to the discussion, as all the point have been discussed in depth, including the download page, where we have proposals in place for a review).
Bugzilla is not a tool for discussion, also because the marketing plan is not a bug. On 11/6/20 10:09 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > I believe its useful to join the discussion threads somehow: > > ----- Forwarded message from [email protected] ----- > > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 08:43:22 +0000 > From: [email protected] > Subject: [Bug 134486] UI: Branding: LibreOffice Personal edition > > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134486 > > --- Comment #73 from Timur <[email protected]> --- > New version of "strategic marketing plan" (modification date is 28.10.2020.) > is > at https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/qPMWRFsxwQ6QFpK. Current > situation seems to be unchanged in the nutshell. Slide 47 and 54 show previous > position: > ● LibreOffice TBD: forever free, only from TDF > ● Tag: “supported by volunteers, suggested for use by individuals, > small organizations and non profits/NGOs” > ● Message: “you are using the volunteer supported version of > LibreOffice, focused on needs of individual users” > ● LibreOffice Enterprise: only from ecosystem members > ● Tag: “professionally supported, suggested for production > environments > in enterprises and large organizations” > ● Message: “you are using the ecosystem supported version of > LibreOffice, focused on needs of enterprise users” > > We still have the same proposals, again forcing label: > "Product Label for the community supported version provided by TDF (i.e. > Personal or Community or other proposals)" > "1. Label (no label is not an option)" > "2. Where to position the label: title bar, about box, start center" > > What's written here seems a reality: all feedback and backlash is ignored. > After all important issues raised here (like Statute preamble), they are not > addressed in the new version. > We are told to give more feedback vial marketing mail list, but I don't see > why, why all what's written here would be ignored, when we have very important > comments and commenter history in BZ can be seen, unlike in mail. > It's rather offensive to tell folks who helped LO with their BZ contribution > that what they've written so far is already ignored, that they need to > subscribe to some mailing list to say the same again. > > Destructive Personal idea and suggestions of branding visible part of LO are > still in force. Only explained is why not Community. > Nowhere is explain what's the expected outcome, presumably that current > company > installations would switch to Enterprise. But was there a poll? I can say that > in my case it will not surely be, those who decide will rather have LO removed > (same as Comment 24 etc). Just will proponents of LO be blamed for using > lesser > value product. > That idea seems to presume enlargement of Enterprise within the existing user > base, and not from new users. So all "marketing" here is pressure on existing > LO users! > And that all comes when user are still confused with difference between OO and > LO. > > I never understood - because marketing plan doesn't explain, just claims, why > not be positive and rework Download page (now it's just a single Download now, > not mentioning option to get enterprise version), why annoy long-time users > and > contributors with attacking their use. > I also never understood why destroying of LO common name is needed to reach > out > to NGO and govs. No, that in marketing plan is just a talk to obscure name > change. Only now is "Work from Home" so pervasive. Nice catch, just go ahead > with that marketing, no need to change name. I'd rather see a good comparison > of LO offer vs. MS and OnlyOffice and WPS. > > Current LO is easy to deploy via MSI and PPA. Not sure if that - not branding > - > should and could be changed to indicate that deployment is not supported from > simple download, unless an organization builds LO themselves or purchases > that. > > Changed and arguably improved in new version is "discussion and vote limited > to > TDF Members" per slide 55. Previously TDF Members only saw Personal when > testing LO 7.0, which really was the wrong way to start discussion. > But again, why direct TDF Members to Marketing mail list, when we already > receive many mails. But no response to some question. > > Speaking of TDF in general, and referring to mail to TDF-internal where I > asked > this and got no reply: I'm not clear about the status of Online and Android. > As > a Member, I get mails, but I don't see it explained - or I missed it. Like we > all know all, which is not the case, so finally I don't know the exact > status. > Actually, there are already many regular mails informing of agenda of Board > etc, but none which explained key problems with Online and Android. When I > asked, I just got Collabora explanation in the mail and web (showing they have > clear position), but not from TDF like it has no it's own standpoint. > > Maybe I didn't read Marketing plan well or it doesn't approach these questions > in the way I'd find appropriate. So I don't know: is moving the Online > repository outside of the LibreOffice project done or will be, is it the code > from TDF, what's the licence, was it on TDF servers or not, does this really > mean "move" or "fork", does Online remain with TDF as LO project or not. > With that new move development, plan may already be obsolete in Online part. > And detrimental to desktop part from the beginning. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- Thorsten > -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - email [email protected] hangout/jabber [email protected] - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
