• John Levine via mailop [2023-12-11 22:00]:
It appears that Gellner, Oliver via mailop <oliver.gell...@dm.de> said:
And to add a rant to that: I don’t have much sympathy for operators that are
trying to use their control over a MTA or DNSBL as some
kind of extortion tool or to put forward their own vendettas.
I also block most mail from Hetzner's network. It's not a vendetta,
it's not extortion, it's purely practical. My time is not unlimited,
the vast majority of the mail from that network is spam and if a tiny
bit of real mail gets lost, so be it. It is not worth my time to make
exceptions in my filtering rules.
If you're the only user on the system, then sure, fine -- your mail,
your choice, but in my case I have "normal" users, and I don't want to
throw my users' email away, so even OVH can't be blocked, as e.g. Migadu
is/was using OVH. Of course, an option is making individual exception,
as Domeneshop does here, but the trigger for the exception is that a
non-spammer is affected by the block.
If you want people to accept your mail, act like someone who wants
people to do so, and that starts by not sending it from a network
that gushes spam. Believe me, Hetzner's not the only one.
As a matter of fact I move my mail server to Hetzner only recently,
until then I was using TransIP for a decade. But also a "test lab" at
Hetzner, so I decided to just merge everything at Hetzner, as they're
closer to me geographically, and after considering Hetzner's reputation
for email: what has been decisive to give it a try is that a number of
email providers seem to be using them. Initially it was a backup
dedicated server, there were no issues at all (except one with Fastmail
responding with 4xx instead of 5xx for a user which no longer existed,
and reporting re-delivery attempts to senderscore, but that doesn't have
anything to do with Hetzner).
I am still evaluating Hetzner as email source, though, and have a couple
of hosts at Mythic Beasts, and have setup ready to let the mail flow
through them, in case of any issues, but mostly it has been fine-ish.
I'm open for good alternatives in/close to Scandinavia. I had considered
UpCloud, but comments on the list made me reconsider that option. Also,
this is a personal setup, so price does indeed matter. :)
But we're getting off-topic, my initial post triggered by discovery of
the "new" dnsbl.spam.fail list, which I never had experienced earlier,
and that question has been answered.
R's,
John
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