Re:
Anyone else seeing issues connecting to comcast.net MX servers today?
We've got emails piling up in queue and connection failures all over.
We have been seeing issue since about 10AM CT at Comcast. I have seen some
consumers on the down detector sites say no e-mail since same time.
Also saw AT&T, BellSouth and SBCGlobal have issues from 11AM - 11:30AM CT today.
We send cooking and crafting content primarily for females.
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Prime Publishing LLC
3400 Dundee Road, Suite 220
Northbrook, IL 60062
847-205-9375 Main | 847-513-6093 Direct
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Yahoo Feedback Loop (Mike Hammett)
2. Re: Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient
consent for mailing list subscriptions (Marco Moock)
3. Re: Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient
consent for mailing list subscriptions
(Randolf Richardson, Postmaster)
4. Comcast issues? (jarl...@mxroute.com)
5. Re: Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient
consent for mailing list subscriptions (Marco Moock)
6. Re: Comcast issues? (Paul Ebersman)
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 12:50:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Hammett <mail...@ics-il.net>
To: Mike Hammett <mail...@ics-il.net>
Cc: mailop <mailop@mailop.org>
Subject: Re: [mailop] Yahoo Feedback Loop
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Ah, I missed it because the "Original-Rcpt-To:" was a non-Yahoo domain. For
future reference, that's the line in the header you're looking for.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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Subject: [mailop] Yahoo Feedback Loop
What do you do when someone keeps reporting conversations on a mailman mailing
list that is opt-in only to Yahoo?
It seems like they forgot they were on NANOG and are now reporting every
message sent to it.
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 19:54:24 +0100
From: Marco Moock <m...@dorfdsl.de>
To: mailop@mailop.org
Cc: rand...@inter-corporate.com
Subject: Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail
recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions
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Am 27.11.2023 um 10:42:58 Uhr schrieb Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop:
> Many marketing people seem to be terrified of the idea of users
> having to confirm their consent when subscribing to a mailing list
> (e.g., by following a unique link in an eMail message to complete the
> process). The marketers almost always say "it will be too complicated
> for the average user," and want to eliminate the confirmation step
> altogether (which is not an ethical approach from my perspective).
Tell them that not doing opt-in will make them spammers and that the servers of
your company will be listed in blacklists, so you cannot reach anybody until
that listing is expired.
Without a confirmation, everybody can simply subscribe any address and that
will be abused.
Even the confirmation messages can already be used for mass mailing if an
abuser submits the form many times for many addresses.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 11:04:33 -0800
From: "Randolf Richardson, Postmaster"
<postmas...@inter-corporate.com>
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail
recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions
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> Am 27.11.2023 um 10:42:58 Uhr schrieb Randolf Richardson, Postmaster
> via mailop:
>
> > Many marketing people seem to be terrified of the idea of users
> > having to confirm their consent when subscribing to a mailing list
> > (e.g., by following a unique link in an eMail message to complete
> > the process). The marketers almost always say "it will be too
> > complicated for the average user," and want to eliminate the
> > confirmation step altogether (which is not an ethical approach from
> > my perspective).
>
> Tell them that not doing opt-in will make them spammers and that the
> servers of your company will be listed in blacklists, so you cannot
> reach anybody until that listing is expired.
We already do this, and we refuse to host any eMail lists that are not
confirming consent properly because of the ethics considerations, and for the
very reason that you just covered.
> Without a confirmation, everybody can simply subscribe any address and
> that will be abused.
I agree. What I'm trying to do is convince non-technical management to
side with taking care to respect consent instead of siding with the marketing
people who obviously don't care. In a way, this is a struggle between
technical people who care about consent vs.
marketing people who just want to advertise and use damage-control methods to
clean up the mess (the marketers also seem to refuse to care about the ethics
or the blacklists, and have the attitude that everyone's replaceable as long as
they get what they want).
> Even the confirmation messages can already be used for mass mailing if
> an abuser submits the form many times for many addresses.
Yes. There are ways to mitigate at least some of that, but these
techniques are beyond the scope of what I'm asking for -- I'm trying to find
ways to persuade management that the technical measures are necessary and must
take precedence over what the marketers want.
(Thanks for your prompt reply.)
Postmaster - postmas...@inter-corporate.com Randolf Richardson -
rand...@inter-corporate.com Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 13:01:55 -0600
From: jarl...@mxroute.com
To: Mailop <mailop@mailop.org>
Subject: [mailop] Comcast issues?
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Anyone else seeing issues connecting to comcast.net MX servers today?
We've got emails piling up in queue and connection failures all over.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 20:21:26 +0100
From: Marco Moock <m...@dorfdsl.de>
To: mailop@mailop.org
Cc: postmas...@inter-corporate.com
Subject: Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail
recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions
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Am 27.11.2023 um 11:04:33 Uhr schrieb Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop:
> > Without a confirmation, everybody can simply subscribe any address
> > and that will be abused.
>
> I agree. What I'm trying to do is convince non-technical management
> to side with taking care to respect consent instead of siding with the
> marketing people who obviously don't care.
Tell them about the abuse and ask them if they like that other can subscribe
them to hundreds of mailing lists that they are not interested in.
Don't they like it?
Tell them that confirmation is a way to prohibit that.
> In a way, this is a struggle between technical people who care about
> consent vs. marketing people who just want to advertise and use
> damage-control methods to clean up the mess (the marketers also seem
> to refuse to care about the ethics or the blacklists, and have the
> attitude that everyone's replaceable as long as they get what they
> want).
Tell them that annoying advertisement doesn't make people buy products.
Much better advertising is to only advertise to the people interested.
They need to understand that sending mails to people who don't like to receive
them doesn't make them buy something - instead they blacklist you servers and
other customers that are interested in your mail don't receive it anymore.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 12:20:27 -0700
From: Paul Ebersman <list-mai...@dragon.net>
To: jarl...@mxroute.com
Cc: Mailop <mailop@mailop.org>
Subject: Re: [mailop] Comcast issues?
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jarland> Anyone else seeing issues connecting to comcast.net MX servers
jarland> today? We've got emails piling up in queue and connection
jarland> failures all over.
Nope. Not just you.
Been backing up since at least 07:43am PST this morning, still clogged on my
server.
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