I don't agree with your stance. Hiding whois details doesn't mean you hiding your identity. Normally, this type of privacy is also used when you want to hide the actual person that is responsible for, lets say paying the domains.
Because, you don't want people calling these phones, about spam, about support cases, about things that SHOULD be taken through their ticket system. But you still want a private phone there, that could be ringing in the middle of the night if something went amiss with their payment for their domain, so the domain doesn't get snapped by a squatter. So I would say, this practice is legitimate for larger companies like mailgun. Just because details are hidden at location A or for automated tools doesn't mean they are dubious. Same if they hide their details on website, but require filling out a captcha to get their office address. Doesn't mean they are shady. You can still find their details on their official website https://www.mailgun.com/contact/ With a address to their office even. If they write: " support [at] mailgun.com " in a ticket in a attempt to combat spam, do you mean they have become "anonymous" and hides themselves just because automated tools no longer can reach them? If you do your homework, you can see that they aren't hiding themselves like a spammer, but only hides the details of individual employees. Stop using whois to get contact info about big companies! Use their official contact ways! They have homepages, they are in public corporate directories, they are as open as they can be without exposing individual employees. -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Michael Peddemors via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> Skickat: den 31 maj 2023 00:27 Till: mailop@mailop.org Ämne: [mailop] Transparency is key... Here is a perfect example.. M3AAWG is coming.. time to take a stance 18.156.43.163 (M) 1 guardpost-n08.euc1.mailgun.co 18.157.58.83 (M) 1 guardpost-n07.euc1.mailgun.co 18.157.75.126 (M) 1 guardpost-n01.euc1.mailgun.co 18.158.176.19 (M) 1 guardpost-n02.euc1.mailgun.co 18.197.223.145 (M) 1 guardpost-n05.euc1.mailgun.co Registrar: NameCheap, Inc. Registrar IANA ID: 1068 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ab...@namecheap.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.6613102107 Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY whois on the IP? 18.156.0.0/14 AMAZO-ZFRA Organization: A100 ROW GmbH (RG-123) Company Description: Key Principal: A. Masone See more contacts Industry: Computer Systems Design and Related Services , Computing Infrastructure Providers, Data Processing, Web Hosting, and Related Services , Professional, Scientific, and Technical Services , Computer facilities management , Data processing and preparation whois mailgun.net Registrar: NAMECHEAP INC Registrar IANA ID: 1068 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ab...@namecheap.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.9854014545 Reseller: NAMECHEAP INC Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Registry Registrant ID: Registrant Name: Redacted for Privacy Registrant Organization: Privacy service provided by Withheld for Privacy ehf http://mailgun.net/ Error 503 http://mailgun.co (Not responding) Kind of impossible to see if these companies are even related.. How does the public find abuse contacts? Doesn't M3AAWG have a lot to say on this subject? At least mailgun.us has transparent whois.. (oops, careful, they might have forgotten to hide that one) Of course, the abuse contact for that one points to mailgun.org, WHICH is again 'REDACTED' for privacy.. (as is mailgun.com) Seems that more and more of the world is intentionally hiding behind terms like PRIVACY and GDPR, in order to serve their business interests... If you have to hide behind anonymity, you aren't doing things right as ESP, you should professionally stand behind your name. So, if someone registers mailgun.zip, what do we have to do to ensure that it belongs to the right people? And you would think a company the size of mailgun could run their own DNS servers ;) Name Server: ns-445.awsdns-55.com Name Server: ns-907.awsdns-49.net Name Server: ns-1728.awsdns-24.co.uk Name Server: ns-1471.awsdns-55.org Just saying people... the more you try to 'hide' who is behind your operations, the more it will affect your reputation, AND your pocket book.. Sure, Amazon was one big ones that started this, and got away with it, and now we have people hiding on Azure, Google, and many other cloud providers... hackers already love hiding behind CloudFlare, and every little spam friendly hoster is now rebranding as a 'cloud service' to take advantage of the same trends.. But if you REALLY want people to take you seriously, these type of business practices have to stop.. -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. 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