Carl, Yes, I’m aware that you do see the addresses, and thus the naming
convention currently used is designed to be transparent- so there is no hiding.
Thanks to members of this group I learned that we still have a homework to be
done if it comes to transparency, and making it easier to folks like you to
easily identify us.
I hate the fact that this topic has stolen so much time and attention of some
of you because it wasn’t as easy to identify Bouncer.cloud (
http://bouncer.cloud/ ) :(
Hans-Martin- thank you for pointing that out that there is some privacy-proxy
turned on on those domains. That wasn’t my intention, and I’ll have to check
that.
As I said- long time ago we decided not to hide.
Even though we are just a small team of 5 people, (far smaller company then
most our competitors) thus very fragile to people in power like you.
I know our business model is far from being perfect, and I don’t like few
things about it.
But I do see some bright side of it- I hope that when someone comes to us
instead of to some
other email verifier- they will at least hear some of my “Email Deliverability
- result of Love&Respect”speech.
Maybe it will change some behaviors of few “unaware spammers”.
I know I have a small influence, but in some cases can be a bridge between two
opposite sides.
I think that I todays world there is so much polarization that sometimes some
center is needed. In this case, I think there are so many senders who need to
hear the rules, but unfortunately they usually are not exposed to perspective
of Mail Operators.
And I know it sounds ridiculous but when they hear from a List Cleaner some
truth they may be bit more open to hear.
If it comes to GDPR compliance, if the “data subject” will approach us about
the information about them we will be obliged to act on this.
As we are just a data processor we will have to inform the data controller
about such request and let them act.
However I’ll have to check with my legal council what should we do in case data
controller does not act. I guess in that case we will have to reveal who is
data controller - our customer. But I’d have to check.
If it comes to a spam trap where there is no actual person behind it, it’s bit
trickier. Cause there is no person who’s information are processed by us- it’s
a organization managing spam trap.
In that case I think I will have to protect personal data of my customer (as in
this case I am data controller). Unless it is requested by law enforcement
authorities.
But I’d have to check that too.
Kind Regards
Radek
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On Sun, Sep 4 2022 at 11:28 PM, Hans-Martin Mosner < mailop@mailop.org > wrote:
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> Am 04.09.22 um 21:49 schrieb Radek Kaczynski via mailop:
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> > Those few domains with small traffic are:
> > - bringmesomejuice.com <http://bringmesomejuice.com/>
> > - iusedtolikeit.com <http://iusedtolikeit.com/>
> > - sometimeinthepast.com <http://sometimeinthepast.com/>
> > - mybigfluffyfriend.com <http://mybigfluffyfriend.com/>
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> You certainly realize why this marks your operation shady (just as most
> other e-mail verification businesses)?
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> Personal e-mail addresses are protected private information under european
> GDPR laws. When you process this data (and probing mail servers to see
> whether an e-mail exists is already some kind of processing) you need a
> valid reason under those laws, and of course you need to be identifiable,
> because the owner of such an e-mail address has a legal right to know who
> stores and processes their data for which purposes.
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> If you're using domain names registered through proxy services, hosted on
> a cloud provider who wouldn't reveal your identity unless we pry it from
> their cold dead hands, you're actively subverting these laws.
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>
>
> Of course, by stepping forward to participate in this discussion you're
> exposing yourself to quite some fire, that's pretty courageous and
> certainly a bit better than those cowards who prefer to stay anonymous.
> But still your business model is the same as theirs.
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>
>
> Even if you try to appear as friendly and open, would you be willing to
> reveal the names of your customers who requested an e-mail address
> verification if you were asked by the e-mail owner?
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>
>
> I had an exchange with someone from a similar service a while ago, after I
> found out that they (and some other mail validation services who didn't
> even reply to my request) have been trying to check an e-mail address on
> our server which did not exist (we reject such accesses without revealing
> whether the address exists or not). I set up the address as a spam trap
> when I noticed, and a very short time after this it received porn and fake
> dating spam. I asked the validation service who their customer was, and
> they could or would not tell me (they claimed that they didn't have that
> data anymore, I can't verify or falsify that claim, of course).
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> As soon as a validation service is transparent about who they work for
> when checking an address, I may exempt them. Fat chance.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Hans-Martin
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