ah, we also used 50 for ARC as a "maximum" hop count:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8617#section-4.2.1

Brandon

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 5:05 PM Brandon Long <bl...@google.com> wrote:

> Ours was set to 50 years ago, and we renamed our internal hops to
> X-Received to avoid issues with external receivers with stricter limits.
>
> The number of hops for most consumer mail isn't high, but enterprise
> messages can have some really extended hops if it goes through nested
> mailing lists and multiple third party relays for various services.
>
> Brandon
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 4:00 PM Kelsey Cummings via mailop <
> mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings, we've been seeing some issues in our mail infrastructure with
>> regular users hitting >25 hops on messages and I'm wondering if there's
>> a general consensus that the old default of 25 is too low given modern
>> mail flows.
>>
>> Have any of you had to increase it?  Any one know what major ESP's have
>> it limited to?
>>
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