On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 2:21 PM Michael Orlitzky via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> In the past few months there have been several threads on mailop and
> similar lists (sdlu, spamassassin-users, nanog, ...) complaining about
> how SendGrid doesn't seem to do anything at all to stop the ongoing
> blatant phishing campaigns from their servers.
>

I've received some spam from sendgrid, including another "we caught you
looking at pr0n, send us btc" just today from sendgrid at my personal email
address, and dutifully forwarded them with headers along to abuse@. What
I've never received is any sort of follow up on those reports indicating
that they were received, much less any action would be taken. Some of these
messages are spam in ways that are exceptionally obvious - things like
having the From: header set to the same address as the recipient, for
example, or matching patterns that even a junior sysadmin's spamassassin
deployment would be able to catch.

We'd been using sendgrid in production for some stuff, but we're looking at
changing that now because it seems like their lack of concern regarding
abuse on their platform will lead to more and more deliverability issues as
time goes on. It just seems like sendgrid doesn't care about abuse on their
platform.

As far as determining the difference between a compromised account that
isn't a spammer and a spammer who simply signed up for an account, this
should be relatively simple by looking at their history. Even without doing
so, the action should clearly be the same: shut down the account
immediately. There's no reason to let a legitimate user's compromised
account continue being used illicitly, and the legitimate user can be
contacted to address the issue after which time the account can be
re-enabled.

Matt Harris|Infrastructure Lead Engineer
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