On 2019-08-27 10:07 a.m., Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote:
Don't use Spamcop then. Send your complaints directly to the abuse desk. Let us know if it does any good.

While overall great comments, we all have to realize the frustration of those involved in sending reports 'directly' as well..

To the point they give up.

Even on our spam auditing team the frustration grows, especially with the 'too big to block' providers, when serious threats are reported and they only get..

* We are working on it..
* We have to advise the customer first before taking action..
* We have notified the reseller..
* We have given them 2-3 weeks to address this problem

(and it sure doesn't help if they simply tell a bad actor, you have been detected, and not stem the tide)

In the mean time, the world continues to be attacked, the bad actors see a 'safe haven' in those providers who let them operate for weeks, before being stopped, and all the hard working infosec people get burned out, from trying to do the right thing, with little or no effect..

If your tiny voice can't be heard, you can understand why many prefer to simply notify 3rd parties like spamcop or team cyrmu or even directly to government CERT or cyber agencies instead.

But of course, if the behaviour of the large providers allows malicious behaviour to continue, given the sheer dangers of the threats, in the current geo political climates, and renewed calls to action, unfortunately it may be only when governments start stepping in with threats of fines, that any real change to this problem will occur.

my 2 cents..


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