Looks like #1 is mostly Azure. Bringing this to certain peoples' attention now. ...
Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool ? -----Original Message----- From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Stefano Bagnara Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:00 AM To: mailop <mailop@mailop.org> Subject: Re: [mailop] Properly vetting an hosting provider before buying/moving On 17 July 2017 at 16:57, Simon Forster <simon-li...@ldml.com> wrote: > > On 17 Jul 2017, at 13:28, Stefano Bagnara <mai...@bago.org> wrote: > > Senderscore, > senderbase, uce-protect, spamhaus, spamcop and other sources are not > publishing informations that declare OVH worse than others direct > competitor in EU. > > > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > spamhaus.org%2Fstatistics%2Fnetworks%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.wise%40 > microsoft.com%7Cc5b113a653ad4b7037ed08d4cd2e417e%7C72f988bf86f141af91a > b2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636359045932016735&sdata=tTtE6R6rgXhYn%2BNNlVO > 8r4UUjWgPhYFsg%2Frj30nl%2FTc%3D&reserved=0> > > ovh.net at #9. Some of their listings are fairly obnoxious stuff which > should be dealt with quickly. > > Summary: Spamhaus seems to be saying they’re quite bad. That page is a moving target and I rarely see OVH there, BTW, now that I look it I see #1 Microsoft #4 Amazon #9 Google #10 OVH So, it is clear to me that this is also about volume, so big legitimate senders ARE ALSO on the big spam sender list, or Google is a worse option than OVH. Is there anyone blocking Google or Microsoft network at all? ;-) Remeber that OVH is one of the largest sender around, so it is expected to be there: that report is just "largest" not "worst". OVH is big, like Google and Microsoft and Amazon are big senders... If you see "non-big senders" in that list, then THEY are worst spammers, IMO. So, IMHO that report is not a report that let us say OVH is worst than "Put your other ISP here", unless you think that "big == bad" and in that case OVH is in company with Microsoft and Google. > PS #1 on the same page is Microsoft — but that looks more like someone > finding a way to game their signup process to get snowshoe spamming > set up on Microsoft's networks. IIRC, there’s a gang rotating around > big providers doing this — so different… quality of problem. You don't "convince" me on the "poor microsoft is on that list by mistake because someone is tricking them... " neither: if the report is good then Microsoft is the worst provider and Amazon and Google are worst than OVH, too. Otherwise that report is not to be used for this reason. Do you have a "quality excuse" for Google and Amazon, too, so that they are not to be considered "worse than quite bad"? Stefano _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchilli.nosignal.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmailop&data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.wise%40microsoft.com%7Cc5b113a653ad4b7037ed08d4cd2e417e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636359045932016735&sdata=WFm3TKIADzdzU1sBTSdjEqtiz3klPdmGhVZDVJkdkvQ%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
