Well, I did say it was a can of worms. Let's discuss the positioning of periods and commas relative to quotation marks instead.

On 8 Jun 2015, at 12:46, Eric A. Meyer wrote:

I'll offer my own but of insight: Butterick is right that it doesn't matter. I just wish he and those who follow his view would take that advice to heart, and stop demonstrating to all and sundry that it really does matter to them.


On 7 Jun 2015, at 23:21, Ben Klebe wrote:

I can only offer this shrewd bit of insight from Matthew Butterick’s excellent Practical Typography: http://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html




"I know that many peo­ple were taught to put two spaces be­tween sen­tences. I was too. But these days, us­ing two spaces is an ob­so­lete habit. Some say the habit orig­i­nated in the type­writer era. Oth­ers be­lieve it be­gan ear­lier. But guess what? It doesn’t mat­ter. Be­cause ei­ther way, it’s not part of to­day’s ty­po­graphic prac­tice."


Sincerely,


Ben Klebe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Gary Hull <yh82d7...@yandex.com> wrote:

On 8 Jun 2015, at 9:40, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:16, Gary Hull wrote:

On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:

The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change it, go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck “Correct spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate this
behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a
period?

Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:

…he said, and then wrenched the can open further.
You noticed that, huh? :-)
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html

Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with
manual monospace typewriters.

You and Manjoo are wrong: the wider post-sentence spacing was not a
quirky, transient artifact of typewriters or monospace fonts, but has
literal centuries of precedent and tradition behind it:

http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324
I worked in my middle school's print shop for a year setting lead type
from a California case and redistributing the pi, so I know the
traditions, and have read all the old pre-ITC typography books that are
only available on ABE.com these days. I later worked as a graphic
designer in a shop that went through the whole range of phototypography from hand-spaced display type to self-contained Compugraphic machines to Agfa-Compugraphic front-ends to Postscript imagesetters. Not to mention
IBM Selectric Composers with Adrian Frutiger-designed fonts on
9-to-the-em grids.
The point of books written for compositors is to teach compositors what
to do. Writers didn't typeset their own books. Spacing decisions are
made by the compositor, based on the font in use, the leading, and the particular letter pair. Today the function of the compositor has been taken over by the combination of the type designer and the particular system in which the font is realized (such as Postscript), which has all sorts of intelligence built into it, and additional intelligence built
into the publishing software that drives the output (imagesetter or
digital display). Again, the writer shouldn't be trying to force design factors like that in his manuscript (although click-to-publish bloggers have to assume some design responsibility). Fonts are no longer made of lead, you can kern without brass spacers, and you can negatively kern without filing off the lead corners of the font. The way that type looks today is the way that skilled typographers want it to work, and the best of them have simply better taste than the past masters. Old books just look blotchy to modern eyes, although they are beautiful as historical
objects.
At any rate, double spacer should know that publishers these days have
regex routines that manuscripts get run through, fixing things like
initial and trailing spaces and high-bit ASCII, and that /\w+/\w/ or the
like is built into such routines. So good luck getting double spaces
into print at a proper publisher.
There was a period, I'll say mostly in the 1960s, 1970s, but also a bit
before and after, when many low-budget publications, including many
academic and scientific publications, published photographically reduced typed manuscripts. In other words, cheap typesetting was not available yet, and they couldn't afford typesetting. In these cases the style that writers had to follow specified "Elite" or "Courier," "double spacing"
(two returns on the typewriter), the width of margins, the number of
lines per page, manual justification (with double spaces to accomplish that, or half spaces, which some typewriters could handle, such as some Olympias), and so on. Universities had typing pools that could produce such manuscripts: They functioned as the typetting departments of these low-budget journals. In such manuscripts double spacing was often used after periods and other sentence-final punctuation, and then after other
words if necessary to justify the text. People who learned typing in
that era tended to use textbooks that specified double spacing. They
were in effect learning half-assed typesetting. The factors that lead to
that style no longer exist.
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