Mark Sapiro writes:
 > On 2/19/25 06:08, t.mai...@fz-juelich.de wrote:

 > > We are currently planning to migrate from mailman2 to mailman3 as
 > > a container, have around 1500 lists and would like to complete
 > > the migration ideally in a few hours.

I've done two massive migrations in the last year.  In the first (~20k
lists), the lists were down for maybe two hours, but it took 22 hours
for HyperKitty to populate, mostly in Xapian indexing we realized in
post-mortem analysis.  In the second (~1k lists), no perceptible
downtime because they have their own bespoke archiver that has a
list-manager-agnostic API.

The trick to zero delivery downtime is that you can configure your MTA
to route to Mailman 3 if the list exists there, if not route to
Mailman 2 if the list exists there, and if not continue to any lower
priority routes.  It worked as designed (mops sweat off brow ;-).  We
did take Postorius and the Mailman 2 management CGIs and email command
addresses offline for the duration (3 hours in the first case, 30
mminutes in the second).  This is sraightforward if Mailman 2 and
Mailman 3 are running on the same host.  Life is more complex if
you're spinning up Mailman 3 in a separate node but it should be
possible.

I think if you're migrating to HyperKitty you can speed up the
migration by shutting off indexing, and doing that later at the cost
of confusing people who expect the lists to be indexed.  I'm not sure
if it's possible to migrate the archives concurrently with accepting
new posts, or maybe to migrate archives in advance and backfill any
posts that arrive during the list migration.  And there's no reason
why you can't leave the legacy Mailman 2 archives up for browsing
as a backup for as long as needed.

Steve
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