Output from mailman log after sending a test message to the list:
Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id <
cam05vaclahtzjdcfksp6i0rskpfhq9h_kpoljyvmnzy4kca...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message <
cam05vaclahtzjdcfksp6i0rskpfhq9h_kpoljyvmnzy4kca...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684058) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/urls:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
I sent another test after changing the DMARC settings for the list
mailman.log:
Dec 23 16:58:48 2024 (684052) ACCEPT:
<CAM05vAcs3mL2MMX_NNsrHHyLz8p_tTvCHRRiROCgt=u5oi6...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:49 2024 (684063) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/urls:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:49 2024 (684063) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/urls:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684058) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/urls:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id
<CAPesOD2KavP948Oq6n9mvYF9WW3-sXRRTxAMm2roMgzL+=s...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message
<CAPesOD2KavP948Oq6n9mvYF9WW3-sXRRTxAMm2roMgzL+=s...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id
<CAM05vAcN5RZ3Mzg-xXd-u=X7_inDULsBR8A=ehpwk5oy+y+...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message
<CAM05vAcN5RZ3Mzg-xXd-u=X7_inDULsBR8A=ehpwk5oy+y+...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id <
cam05vafohzmvu42wojk5spceynqs4rm01ikw+u5kpwmchhx...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message <
cam05vafohzmvu42wojk5spceynqs4rm01ikw+u5kpwmchhx...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id <
cam05vadx7vgppapaetf_j8rw2exbos6d-_6bcp8wkguf5_c...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message <
cam05vadx7vgppapaetf_j8rw2exbos6d-_6bcp8wkguf5_c...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id
<CAPesOD1y0fEaG=GFodz=Lgs1m_hqRErPnQcpXCNtKsBbJ=b...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message
<CAPesOD1y0fEaG=GFodz=Lgs1m_hqRErPnQcpXCNtKsBbJ=b...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:50 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684058) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/urls:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id
<CAM05vAdLwKNNLgFGMKPm_yv6YykcL=synjsdyf70hygufry...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message
<CAM05vAdLwKNNLgFGMKPm_yv6YykcL=synjsdyf70hygufry...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id
<CAM05vAcG99mHboPkZ82q=+d+ub3l3+iemhwscnavfwsua80...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message
<CAM05vAcG99mHboPkZ82q=+d+ub3l3+iemhwscnavfwsua80...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id <
capesod1zjg3zyeagcqyd+nce76g_hbwjk9wqf51pi6iyjhb...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message <
capesod1zjg3zyeagcqyd+nce76g_hbwjk9wqf51pi6iyjhb...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id <
cam05vadr3n-zhrlhcphzi4xhoklsmtuugxnwgswjm1oao2j...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message <
cam05vadr3n-zhrlhcphzi4xhoklsmtuugxnwgswjm1oao2j...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id <
cam05vaclahtzjdcfksp6i0rskpfhq9h_kpoljyvmnzy4kca...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message <
cam05vaclahtzjdcfksp6i0rskpfhq9h_kpoljyvmnzy4kca...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
(400)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Could not archive the message with id
<CAM05vAcs3mL2MMX_NNsrHHyLz8p_tTvCHRRiROCgt=u5oi6...@mail.gmail.com>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) archiving failed, re-queuing (mailing-list
testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com, message
<CAM05vAcs3mL2MMX_NNsrHHyLz8p_tTvCHRRiROCgt=u5oi6...@mail.gmail.com>)
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 158, in _archive_message
url = self._send_message(mlist, msg)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py",
line 228, in _send_message
raise ValueError(result.text)
ValueError:
<!doctype html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<title>Bad Request (400)</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p>
</body>
</html>
Dec 23 16:58:51 2024 (684058) HyperKitty failure on
http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/urls:
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Thank you,
Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey
502-408-6922
On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 11:31 PM Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:
> On 12/22/24 20:10, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote:
> > I'm not sure how to check mailmans shunt queue.
>
> `ls var/queue/shunt`
>
> > I'm not seeing any errors in mailman logs
> >
> > There are several .pck files in Mailman's
> > var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/
> These are message that failed to archive. There should be messages in
> mailman.log about these failures indicating what the issue is.
>
> > I can send email from the server using mail utilities as long as the
> "from
> > email address" contains the server's domain name. I also notice that in
> > this MM3-Users list the "from" email shows send...@emailaddress.com VIA
> > mailman3.org. I'm wondering if I've missed something that would allow my
> > server to behave this way.
>
>
> In the list's Settings -> DMARC Mitigations set DMARC mitigation action
> to Replace From: with list address and set DMARC Mitigate
> unconditionally to Yes.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
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