This is a problem that I had before.

Creating a new email list, adding members - all goes well the members can send
email to the list and it is sent out.

Create an email list and import configuration data from mailman 2.1.20
*sometimes* has problems - mail is received, archived but not sent out.

This is only sometimes.

One list that I had the problem with I eventually got it to send out email, but
I cannot remember exactly what I did.

The lists that get stuck go into an infinite look trying to deal with a file in
/var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ -- the files being worked on in
/var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/ where they appear temporarily.



# mailman --run-as-root import21 arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk 
/home/tmp/lists/arm-netbook/config.pck
Importing members     [####################################]  100%
Importing owners      [####################################]  
100%a...@phcomp.co.uk is already imported with role MemberRole.owner

Importing moderators  [####################################]  100%
Importing defers      [####################################]  100%
Importing holds       [####################################]  100%
Importing rejects     [####################################]  100%
Importing discards    [####################################]  100%


The archive with a message from me at 6.18pm can be seen here (with one at 5.28
from when it was on the old machine)

https://mm-test.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk/

The file in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ has been decoded below with
"mailman --run-as-root qfile" -- some 305 email addresses have been redacted
for privacy:

[----- start pickle -----]
<----- start object 1 ----->
Received: from freshmint.phcomp.co.uk ([2001:4d48:ad51:2f00::2:2] 
helo=mint.phcomp.co.uk)
        by bf2024.phcomp.co.uk with esmtps  (TLS1.3) tls 
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
        (Exim 4.96)
        (envelope-from <a...@phcomp.co.uk>)
        id 1tHoWI-006ljH-04
        for arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk;
        Sun, 01 Dec 2024 18:18:10 +0000
Received: from addw by mint.phcomp.co.uk with local (Exim 4.96)
        (envelope-from <a...@phcomp.co.uk>)
        id 1tHoWC-00CAqy-27
        for arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk;
        Sun, 01 Dec 2024 18:18:04 +0000
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:18:04 +0000
From: Alain D D Williams <a...@phcomp.co.uk>
To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Organization: Parliament Hill Computers Ltd
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
Message-ID: <z0yoxlgamln2f...@phcomp.co.uk>
Message-ID-Hash: XJ5VNDGSXYMG2XZRY2ATQUBWF555ERTT
X-Message-ID-Hash: XJ5VNDGSXYMG2XZRY2ATQUBWF555ERTT
X-MailFrom: a...@phcomp.co.uk
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; 
banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; 
implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; 
suspicious-header
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: [Arm-netbook] Potential trouble on this mail list - did this work ?
List-Id: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook.lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Archived-At: 
<https://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk/message/XJ5VNDGSXYMG2XZRY2ATQUBWF555ERTT/>
List-Archive: 
<https://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk/>
List-Help: <mailto:arm-netbook-requ...@lists.phcomp.co.uk?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:arm-netbook-ow...@lists.phcomp.co.uk>
List-Post: <mailto:arm-netb...@lists.phcomp.co.uk>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:arm-netbook-j...@lists.phcomp.co.uk>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:arm-netbook-le...@lists.phcomp.co.uk>

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dWsvQ29udGFjdC5odG1sDQojaW5jbHVkZSA8c3RkX2Rpc2NsYWltZXIuaD4NCg==

<----- start object 2 ----->
{   '_parsemsg': False,
    'envsender': 'nore...@lists.phcomp.co.uk',
    'lang': 'en',
    'listid': 'arm-netbook.lists.phcomp.co.uk',
    'original_sender': 'a...@phcomp.co.uk',
    'original_size': 1529,
    'original_subject': 'Potential trouble on this mail list - did this work ?',
    'received_time': datetime.datetime(2024, 12, 1, 18, 18, 10, 551642),
    'recipients': {   --- 305 lines removed here
                      'some-u...@gmail.com'},
    'rule_hits': [],
    'rule_misses': [   'dmarc-mitigation',
                       'no-senders',
                       'approved',
                       'emergency',
                       'loop',
                       'banned-address',
                       'member-moderation',
                       'nonmember-moderation',
                       'administrivia',
                       'implicit-dest',
                       'max-recipients',
                       'max-size',
                       'news-moderation',
                       'no-subject',
                       'digests',
                       'suspicious-header'],
    'stripped_subject': 'Potential trouble on this mail list - did this work ?',
    'to_list': True,
    'verp': False,
    'version': 3,
    'whichq': 'out'}
[----- end pickle -----]


-- 
Alain Williams
Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT 
Lecturer.
+44 (0) 787 668 0256  https://www.phcomp.co.uk/
Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: 
https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html
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