Hi all, > > He is even attacking Apache/GNU/Linux these days. > > And the truth is people like this guy > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen > > are the real ones behind the politics. > > But it is very difficult to understand when you are only in > the FSF Pond :-( > RMS was a great programmer and it so happened that he started the movement out of his personal context (he was in). He (re)gained the legitimate relevence in the Free and Open Source Movement by advocating the prefix GNU before the Linux Operating System (Kernel ). The licensing scheme was ingenious and the world we live in is a different place now because of his contribution.
MIT License , BSD licence and other licenses were there before stallman got into the game. Those group claim that they are also Free software guys. Then stallman and his FSF came up with four freedom mantra. RMS has got every right to profess his ideals and there is nothing wrong with following him as well. Then guys who want to see "utopian" world came to the scene ( like Eben Moglen , Dr. Sasi Kumar [ some call him "local stallman" ] etc ) and started influencing the people. The people who are using software as a hobby , watch movies , send emails and others can follow them without much problem. ESR ( Eric S Raymond ) and others created OSI to cater to a audience who make a living through software. Those people ( which includes me and some in this group ) will have a nuetral stand in the case of fourth freedom (Freedom clause #3 ). Thus the difference of opinion. I came to the group believing that this is Indian Linux User Group. I was not aware of the name change as well as character change. When i posted about the WineLib , i really understood what the group is for. I stopped going for the monthly meeting after that (not to offend the sentiments of people who believe in four freedoms ) . The reason why i still hang around in this online forums , is as follows a) you get to know new software projects and other software issues I read every thread and it has helped me to broaden my Linux horizon.Some excellent discussions about Linux deployment happens once in a while. ( A post of packet filter for BSD is a case in the point. Another good discussion was Character encoding which happend couple of weeks back ) b) about the events happening around >From this group , i came to know about Pycon India , 2010 (from a post of >Arulalan ) and thanks to that i am taking a session at Pycon India this time. >I also get information about the various tech fests and compettition going on >in the FOSS world. ( I attended ICEFOSS @ FISAT and got my introduction to >Python and GNU Linux kernel programming !) c) Job postings ! My current job is a result of a post which came in this forum. d) Picking new talents I could get couple of guys who have got potential to become good programmers under GNU Linux ! Likewise , each member of this group will be having his own personal reason to be in here. I like Free Software (with four freedoms in the case of system software). Proprietory software is a reality at the commercial space (it is going to be like that !), it should co-exist with FOSS to give us a better world. I will take an example , where duty and deeds can be contradictory Take the lawyers who appeared for Ajmal Kasab. Those lawyers will be in a dilemma , whether to obey their Dharma ( duty - to their country ) or Karma (deed - alligeance to their profession ). In this case , they should give emphasis to the latter to complete their obligatory system duties. A software professional who believes in FSF's free software mantra might be asked to write Windows or MAC OS X software. At this point of time , he is in the lawyer shoes ! At least some people are in this group will be in the above dilemma. By saying , people who use proprietory systems as lesser mortals , we are offending them ,, r8 ? What is the way out ? I will give an anecdote here. Last week,i went to CEC chengannur to give a talk on Cross Platform programming. After the session , i understood that there is large interest in Linux Programming ( I have suggested them to invite me for a workshop ) . Same is the case with other colleges (this is based on the interaction i had with students ). Computer Programming is also an area which we can use to attract people to the FOSS platform. ( In fact , Computer Programming created this whole movement ..r8 ?) regards Praseed Pai http://praseedp.blogspot.com --- On Tue, 9/21/10, Siju George <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Siju George <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 12:37 AM > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:22 PM, > Sebin Jacob <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I suppose, it is because of the politics involved in > making software free, > > that many of us started using them and not just > because of the superiority > > over any other system. That put aside, we love the > ecosystem and we started > > experimenting with stuff that at last proved for us > beyond doubt that, this > > is far more superior than proprietary counter stuff. > > > > yes but when politics divides people for the same cause it > has become > nasty and does not merrit any thing > > > > > > Open office is available in windows too. Does that > make Open Office > > proprietary? What is the rationale in calling someone > hypocrite for such a > > naive reason? > > > > I never said emacs is propreitry if that is what you mean. > But when Ricard does what he does and calls the BSDs > supports > propreitry software he is acting like one. > > But He cannot do any thing now. he is just a Shigandi ( > just > concentrate on the function of the term and not the insult > commonly > propogated by the use of the term ). People who play the > real politics > are behind him. > > please read through > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=120016963318475&w=2 > > He is even attacking Apache/GNU/Linux these days. > > And the truth is people like this guy > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen > > are the real ones behind the politics. > > But it is very difficult to understand when you are only in > the FSF Pond :-( > > So I stop here. > > cheers > > --Siju > > _______________________________________________ > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > #[email protected] >
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