@Siju If that question was directed towards me, my answer is a simple 'I don' t know'. :). Y bother as long as licenses are NOT violated?! Freedom for me is Freedom to chose what I use, and I don't believe in Orthodox views regarding Free Software though I very much respect Stallman and his work.
Regards, Dibu On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:09 PM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send Mailinglist mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailinglist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Libre (Siju George) > 2. RMS Interview (Raj) > 3. ??????????????? ???????????? ???? ??????? (Anilkumar KV) > 4. Re: Mailinglist Digest, Vol 87, Issue 26 (Praseed Pai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:42:33 +0530 > From: Siju George <[email protected]> > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:28 PM, sreekanth sasikanth > <[email protected]> wrote: > > "Multiverse" is removed from Ubuntu as well as the proprietary modules > :). > > > > According to you is the flash plugin with firefox Open Source or > Proprietary? > Just curious > > --Siju > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:50:25 +0530 > From: Raj <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS Interview > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Interview of Richard Stallman . > > on INDIAVISION- today [sunday] 8:30 PM > > > > > > -- > Raju Ramdas > Registered GNU/Linux user #469530 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20100919/29711a65/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:02:40 +0530 > From: Anilkumar KV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: [ILUG-Cochin.org] ??????????????? ???????????? ???? ??????? > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]<pohupw6yxjjsoj-c-5wtf8mpdte%[email protected]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ??????????????? ???????????? > ????<http://munnottu.blogspot.com/2010/09/blog-post.html> > > - ?????? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20100919/659a2161/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:38:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Praseed Pai <[email protected]> > To: GPL SoftwareThis List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Mailinglist Digest, Vol 87, Issue 26 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all , > ?? See there are lot of issues here. > ? > ?? We changed from Linux user group to Libre user group to follow > the strict interpretation of Freedom as FSF sees it. Another aim might > have been to give space to "comonners" (people who are not computer > programmers ) to actively participate in the forum. Even though the > original aim of FSF was not to become a broad based social movement, > the arrival of ESR and party with their OSI , made them to stress the > freedom > component. Since OSI is a Software development model ( with > Business interest ) , FSF to distinguish itself shifted to the Social > plank. > ? > In the quest to give GNU movement it's legitimate superiority over > the Linux , FSF would like to see HURD kernel to power their system > soon. So, some people in this group who > has that itch began to stress FSF ideologies more. Thus the > argument , Linux is just a kernel and it might go soon. So, we need to > change from the Linux to Libre to assert what > we (they ) are !. > ? > Then this forum is more about Software Advocacy , Licensing talks > and some examples of how superior Free software is over the proprietory > software. I am sure that majority of the people in this group does not > care about it. Each new member in this group (including me) , came to > this group thinking it is Linux user group. if there is a referrendum > on this , > i am sure that people who want to see this group as Linux user group will > defenitely win. > ? > That is all to the background of what we are discussing . > ? > So, there is no wrong in someone saying that do not mention about > proprietory software as the core philosophy of this group is usage and > advocacy of Free Software > ? > @all > I go to give talks at Kerala Microsoft User Group. I go there > because i have got listeners there.? So , i am curious to know whether > I?figure in "Microsoft Spies" list ? > ? > if people want to hear on GNU Linux programming , i am willing to > talk about that too . I believe GPL is great license for System > software. For business systems , i beg to differ > from the current core philosophy of our group. > ? > We need to create more and more GNU system and application programmers to > take this group beyond the current rhetoric. > ? > In Mahabharatha , Yudhishtur was asked go to? the hell for a while > before he reached his heaven. ( he told a small lie to win the war ) > ? > Like wise,to achieve our free software "heaven" , we need to interact with > proprietory software "hell" . > ? > ? > ? > ? > regards > Praseed Pai > http://praseedp.blogspot.com > > --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Dibu Philip <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Mailinglist Digest, Vol 87, Issue 26 > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 11:34 AM > > @Siju > Now what is wrong with one using MS Windows if that person doesn't need > Freedom! Emacs provides freedom by giving its users all 4 Freedoms. So > what's wrong with Stallman providing code for running Emacs in Windows!? > > > @Sreekanth > I tried gnewsense, but the installation crashes mid way!! Dont know > why..Didnt like blag though...have to try trisquel > Thank you:) > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:28 PM, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Send Mailinglist mailing list submissions to > > ? ? ? [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > ? ? ? ? > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > ? ? ? [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > ? ? ? [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Mailinglist digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > ? 1. Re: Libre (Fayaz useful) > > ? 2. Re: Libre (Siju George) > > ? 3. Re: Libre (Mohammed Rashad) > > ? 4. Re: Libre (sreekanth sasikanth) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:09:25 +0530 > > From: Fayaz useful <[email protected]> > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, ? ? ? GPL Software" > > ? ? ? ?<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre > > Message-ID: > > ? ? ? ?<[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Surely, it must have been just a guideline? > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:26, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why is it that the group that supports and stands for Freedom, do not > > > provide the basic Freedom of speech and expression? I read that those > > > planning to take a session on the anniversary day were to abide by this > > > rule:' presentations must not talk/promote/mention/discuss about > proprietary > > > software > > > ?unless it becomes totally impossible to continue the topic without > > > discussing' > > > ?If Libre user group doesn't give its members the basic Freedom, who else > > > willl? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > > > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > > > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > > #[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fayaz Yusuf Khan > > B.Tech. Computer Science & Engineering(2007-2011) > > Model Engineering College, Kochi, Kerala, India > > +91-9746-830-823 > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20100918/8ad33dd5/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:11:42 +0530 > > From: Siju George <[email protected]> > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, ? ? ? GPL Software" > > ? ? ? ?<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre > > Message-ID: > > ? ? ? ?<[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Why is it that the group that supports and stands for Freedom, do not > > > provide the basic Freedom of speech and expression? I read that those > > > planning to take a session on the anniversary day were to abide by this > > > rule:' presentations must not talk/promote/mention/discuss about > proprietary > > > software > > > ?unless it becomes totally impossible to continue the topic without > > > discussing' > > > ?If Libre user group doesn't give its members the basic Freedom, who else > > > willl? > > > > > > Let me ask you, how many of the members would be using a distro listed in > > > www.gnu.org/distros ? Most of us either use Debian, Ubuntu etc. Once I > > > > > > > That page is just a joke :-) > > He says > > > > "BSD systems refer to proprietary drivers as ?blobs? and some have > > policies against including these. That is good, but unfortunately no > > BSD system has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that > > might be loaded even by free drivers." > > > > and look at this page > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ > > > > His emacs not only has no policies against proprietary platforms but > > **ACTUALLY ?CONTAINS CODE TO RUN THE SOFTWARE ON WINDOWS" thus > > encouraging people to use MS Windows when it comes to his software :-D > > > > Hippocrite! > > > > --Siju > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:24:40 +0530 > > From: Mohammed Rashad <[email protected]> > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, ? ? ? GPL Software" > > ? ? ? ?<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre > > Message-ID: > > ? ? ? ?<[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > the GNU/Linux distro is only *UTUTO* Project <https://www.ututo.org/> > > https://www.*ututo*.org/ > > > > I heard from RMS talk on youtube > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Siju George <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > Why is it that the group that supports and stands for Freedom, do not > > > > provide the basic Freedom of speech and expression? I read that those > > > > planning to take a session on the anniversary day were to abide by this > > > > rule:' presentations must not talk/promote/mention/discuss about > > > proprietary > > > > software > > > > ?unless it becomes totally impossible to continue the topic without > > > > discussing' > > > > ?If Libre user group doesn't give its members the basic Freedom, who > else > > > > willl? > > > > > > > > Let me ask you, how many of the members would be using a distro listed > in > > > > www.gnu.org/distros ? Most of us either use Debian, Ubuntu etc. Once I > > > > > > > > > > That page is just a joke :-) > > > He says > > > > > > "BSD systems refer to proprietary drivers as ?blobs? and some have > > > policies against including these. That is good, but unfortunately no > > > BSD system has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that > > > might be loaded even by free drivers." > > > > > > and look at this page > > > > > > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ > > > > > > His emacs not only has no policies against proprietary platforms but > > > **ACTUALLY ?CONTAINS CODE TO RUN THE SOFTWARE ON WINDOWS" thus > > > encouraging people to use MS Windows when it comes to his software :-D > > > > > > Hippocrite! > > > > > > --Siju > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > > > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > > > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > > #[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rashad > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20100918/8169fcda/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:58:22 -0700 (PDT) > > From: sreekanth sasikanth <[email protected]> > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, ? ? ? GPL Software " > > ? ? ? ?<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi all, > > > > ? ? ? ? Dibu - "Let me ask you, how many of the members would be using a > distro > > listed in www.gnu.org/distros ? Most of us either use Debian, Ubuntu etc." > > > > Well i am proud to say that i do :). I tried out almost every distro shown > there > > and i settled on Trisquel GNU/Linux :)...Trust me its awesome and u will > love it > > :). Now i have removed Ubuntu from my system. Trisquel is an Ubuntu > derivative > > :). I felt that its more professional than Uttoto :). Check out the link > and u > > will see for urself :) > > > > ?Official Site : http://trisquel.info > > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It also plays MP3 out of the box :).. Its just that the > > "Multiverse" is removed from Ubuntu as well as the proprietary modules :). > Any > > package which does not depend on any "Multiverse" packages and are designed > for > > Karmic Koala will work perfectly :). I just fell in love with it when i > tried it > > :). Also without any proprietary help, it took all my hardware on my Acer > > Netbook flawlessly including the resolution (Which was the issue i had on > > Gnewsense). The current version is Awen 3.5 and is based on Karmic Koala. > Very > > soon they will release 4.0 Taranis and i am waiting for it :). > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > Happy Hacking!! ;) > > S.Sreekanth > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Mohammed Rashad <[email protected]> > > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sat, 18 September, 2010 7:24:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre > > > > the GNU/Linux distro is only UTUTO Project > > https://www.ututo.org/ > > > > I heard from RMS talk on youtube > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Siju George <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Hello all, > > >> > > >> Why is it that the group that supports and stands for Freedom, do not > > >> provide the basic Freedom of speech and expression? I read that those > > >> planning to take a session on the anniversary day were to abide by this > > >> rule:' presentations must not talk/promote/mention/discuss about > proprietary > > >> software > > >> ?unless it becomes totally impossible to continue the topic without > > >> discussing' > > >> ?If Libre user group doesn't give its members the basic Freedom, who > else > > >> willl? > > >> > > >> Let me ask you, how many of the members would be using a distro listed > in > > >> www.gnu.org/distros ? Most of us either use Debian, Ubuntu etc. Once I > > >> > > > > > >That page is just a joke :-) > > >He says > > > > > >"BSD systems refer to proprietary drivers as ?blobs? and some have > > >policies against including these. That is good, but unfortunately no > > >BSD system has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that > > >might be loaded even by free drivers." > > > > > >and look at this page > > > > > >http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ > > > > > >His emacs not only has no policies against proprietary platforms but > > >**ACTUALLY ?CONTAINS CODE TO RUN THE SOFTWARE ON WINDOWS" thus > > >encouraging people to use MS Windows when it comes to his software :-D > > > > > >Hippocrite! > > > > > >--Siju > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > > >http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > > >http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > >#[email protected] > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rashad > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20100918/a53671a2/attachment.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > > #[email protected] > > > > End of Mailinglist Digest, Vol 87, Issue 26 > > ******************************************* > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > #[email protected] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20100919/f0a13662/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > #[email protected] > > End of Mailinglist Digest, Vol 87, Issue 30 > ******************************************* >
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