Hi all , See there are lot of issues here. We changed from Linux user group to Libre user group to follow the strict interpretation of Freedom as FSF sees it. Another aim might have been to give space to "comonners" (people who are not computer programmers ) to actively participate in the forum. Even though the original aim of FSF was not to become a broad based social movement, the arrival of ESR and party with their OSI , made them to stress the freedom component. Since OSI is a Software development model ( with Business interest ) , FSF to distinguish itself shifted to the Social plank. In the quest to give GNU movement it's legitimate superiority over the Linux , FSF would like to see HURD kernel to power their system soon. So, some people in this group who has that itch began to stress FSF ideologies more. Thus the argument , Linux is just a kernel and it might go soon. So, we need to change from the Linux to Libre to assert what we (they ) are !. Then this forum is more about Software Advocacy , Licensing talks and some examples of how superior Free software is over the proprietory software. I am sure that majority of the people in this group does not care about it. Each new member in this group (including me) , came to this group thinking it is Linux user group. if there is a referrendum on this , i am sure that people who want to see this group as Linux user group will defenitely win. That is all to the background of what we are discussing . So, there is no wrong in someone saying that do not mention about proprietory software as the core philosophy of this group is usage and advocacy of Free Software @all I go to give talks at Kerala Microsoft User Group. I go there because i have got listeners there. So , i am curious to know whether I figure in "Microsoft Spies" list ? if people want to hear on GNU Linux programming , i am willing to talk about that too . I believe GPL is great license for System software. For business systems , i beg to differ from the current core philosophy of our group. We need to create more and more GNU system and application programmers to take this group beyond the current rhetoric. In Mahabharatha , Yudhishtur was asked go to the hell for a while before he reached his heaven. ( he told a small lie to win the war ) Like wise,to achieve our free software "heaven" , we need to interact with proprietory software "hell" . regards Praseed Pai http://praseedp.blogspot.com
--- On Sat, 9/18/10, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> wrote: From: Dibu Philip <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Mailinglist Digest, Vol 87, Issue 26 To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 11:34 AM @Siju Now what is wrong with one using MS Windows if that person doesn't need Freedom! Emacs provides freedom by giving its users all 4 Freedoms. So what's wrong with Stallman providing code for running Emacs in Windows!? @Sreekanth I tried gnewsense, but the installation crashes mid way!! Dont know why..Didnt like blag though...have to try trisquel Thank you:) On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:28 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Send Mailinglist mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailinglist digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Libre (Fayaz useful) 2. Re: Libre (Siju George) 3. Re: Libre (Mohammed Rashad) 4. Re: Libre (sreekanth sasikanth) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:09:25 +0530 From: Fayaz useful <[email protected]> To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Surely, it must have been just a guideline? On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:26, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> wrote: > > Why is it that the group that supports and stands for Freedom, do not > provide the basic Freedom of speech and expression? I read that those > planning to take a session on the anniversary day were to abide by this > rule:' presentations must not talk/promote/mention/discuss about proprietary > software > unless it becomes totally impossible to continue the topic without > discussing' > If Libre user group doesn't give its members the basic Freedom, who else > willl? > > _______________________________________________ > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > #[email protected] > -- Fayaz Yusuf Khan B.Tech. Computer Science & Engineering(2007-2011) Model Engineering College, Kochi, Kerala, India +91-9746-830-823 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/pipermail/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org/attachments/20100918/8ad33dd5/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:11:42 +0530 From: Siju George <[email protected]> To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello all, > > Why is it that the group that supports and stands for Freedom, do not > provide the basic Freedom of speech and expression? I read that those > planning to take a session on the anniversary day were to abide by this > rule:' presentations must not talk/promote/mention/discuss about proprietary > software > ?unless it becomes totally impossible to continue the topic without > discussing' > ?If Libre user group doesn't give its members the basic Freedom, who else > willl? > > Let me ask you, how many of the members would be using a distro listed in > www.gnu.org/distros ? Most of us either use Debian, Ubuntu etc. Once I > That page is just a joke :-) He says "BSD systems refer to proprietary drivers as ?blobs? and some have policies against including these. That is good, but unfortunately no BSD system has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that might be loaded even by free drivers." and look at this page http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ His emacs not only has no policies against proprietary platforms but **ACTUALLY CONTAINS CODE TO RUN THE SOFTWARE ON WINDOWS" thus encouraging people to use MS Windows when it comes to his software :-D Hippocrite! --Siju ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:24:40 +0530 From: Mohammed Rashad <[email protected]> To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" the GNU/Linux distro is only *UTUTO* Project <https://www.ututo.org/> https://www.*ututo*.org/ I heard from RMS talk on youtube On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Siju George <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Why is it that the group that supports and stands for Freedom, do not > > provide the basic Freedom of speech and expression? I read that those > > planning to take a session on the anniversary day were to abide by this > > rule:' presentations must not talk/promote/mention/discuss about > proprietary > > software > > unless it becomes totally impossible to continue the topic without > > discussing' > > If Libre user group doesn't give its members the basic Freedom, who else > > willl? > > > > Let me ask you, how many of the members would be using a distro listed in > > www.gnu.org/distros ? Most of us either use Debian, Ubuntu etc. Once I > > > > That page is just a joke :-) > He says > > "BSD systems refer to proprietary drivers as ?blobs? and some have > policies against including these. That is good, but unfortunately no > BSD system has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that > might be loaded even by free drivers." > > and look at this page > > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ > > His emacs not only has no policies against proprietary platforms but > **ACTUALLY CONTAINS CODE TO RUN THE SOFTWARE ON WINDOWS" thus > encouraging people to use MS Windows when it comes to his software :-D > > Hippocrite! > > --Siju > > _______________________________________________ > Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List > http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ > http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org > #[email protected] > -- Rashad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check out the link and u will see for urself :) Official Site : http://trisquel.info It also plays MP3 out of the box :).. Its just that the "Multiverse" is removed from Ubuntu as well as the proprietary modules :). Any package which does not depend on any "Multiverse" packages and are designed for Karmic Koala will work perfectly :). I just fell in love with it when i tried it :). Also without any proprietary help, it took all my hardware on my Acer Netbook flawlessly including the resolution (Which was the issue i had on Gnewsense). The current version is Awen 3.5 and is based on Karmic Koala. Very soon they will release 4.0 Taranis and i am waiting for it :). With Best Regards, Happy Hacking!! ;) S.Sreekanth ________________________________ From: Mohammed Rashad <[email protected]> To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 18 September, 2010 7:24:40 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Libre the GNU/Linux distro is only UTUTO Project https://www.ututo.org/ I heard from RMS talk on youtube On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Siju George <[email protected]> wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dibu Philip <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Why is it that the group that supports and stands for Freedom, do not >> provide the basic Freedom of speech and expression? I read that those >> planning to take a session on the anniversary day were to abide by this >> rule:' presentations must not talk/promote/mention/discuss about proprietary >> software >> unless it becomes totally impossible to continue the topic without >> discussing' >> If Libre user group doesn't give its members the basic Freedom, who else >> willl? >> >> Let me ask you, how many of the members would be using a distro listed in >> www.gnu.org/distros ? Most of us either use Debian, Ubuntu etc. Once I >> > >That page is just a joke :-) >He says > >"BSD systems refer to proprietary drivers as ?blobs? and some have >policies against including these. That is good, but unfortunately no >BSD system has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that >might be loaded even by free drivers." > >and look at this page > >http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ > >His emacs not only has no policies against proprietary platforms but >**ACTUALLY CONTAINS CODE TO RUN THE SOFTWARE ON WINDOWS" thus >encouraging people to use MS Windows when it comes to his software :-D > >Hippocrite! > >--Siju > >_______________________________________________ >Indian Libre User Group Cochin Mailing List >http://www.ilug-cochin.org/mailing-list/ >http://mail.ilug-cochin.org/mailman/listinfo/mailinglist_ilug-cochin.org >#[email protected] > -- Rashad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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