Hi Siju ,
   Great explanation man !

regards
Praseed Pai


--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Siju George <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: Siju George <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Linux machines with no rebooting…? Is this 
> what we want?
> To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" 
> <[email protected]>
> Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 1:20 AM
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:43 AM,
> Ganesan Venkata Subramanian
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > HI ALL
> >
> > IS THIS WHAT WE WANT ?
> >
> > http://www.standalone-sysadmin.com/blog/2010/09/linux-machines-with-no-rebooting-is-this-what-we-want/
> >
> 
> :-)
> 
> Just entering the world of Mainframes for a few seconds
> 
> "Four nines availability" and "Five nines availability" are
> terms
> unfortunately unfamiliar to PC users. Yet it is these
> figures - 99.99%
> and 99.999% availability - that are used to rate the
> reliability of
> mainframes. Such figures equate to between 5 and 53 minutes
> of
> downtime a year. In fact, for System/390 mainframes - the
> average time
> between failures that force a reboot and an initial program
> load - is
> 20 to 30 years. Such reliability is truly stunning from
> the
> perspective of a PC user, yet this kind of performance is
> crucial to
> businesses where a crash could incur losses of millions of
> dollars for
> every hour of downtime. "
> 
> Comming back to our world of FOSS OSes;-)
> 
> Today, as of now, when somebody brags about uptime of a
> server ( not a
> service ) he betrays an insecure server most of the time.
> 
> Most OSes have security updates to the kernel which will
> force a reboot.
> So uptime is an indicator of how secure the OS on the
> Server is.
> 
> Secondly ( even when there is not kernel update ) from an
> OS
> developer's perspective.
> 
> " a libc fix would require rebuilding libc, plus relinking
> statically linked programs. Followed by a restart of all
> programs.
> That includes init(8), so you're probably better of just
> rebooting
> after all."
> 
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125035083804327&w=2
> 
> Some OSes don't support kernel modules in the name of
> security as you
> saw in the above thread.
> 
> The arguments in that URL posted are also valid concerns.
> 
> But again why I am not keen to have a
> *dontneedtoreboot-server* is
> because we have technologies that can be used to if we
> really want a
> 99.x uptime. Clustering, Loadbalancing, Replication, etc.
> There are
> challenges ofcourse :-)
> 
> Even Firewall services can be run without down time ( or
> losing states
> ) when one of the firewalls in the cluster goes down for
> upgrade or
> reboot or hardware maintenence.
> 
> http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#35
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Address_Redundancy_Protocol
> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/example1.html
> 
> --Siju
> 
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