Hi Reggie, The method by which one reads Mail seems to be a personal preference. I prefer to turn the Preview pane off, stay in the newer modern view, arrow through my messages and press return to open them. When I press return, the subject and senders name are announced again then the message body read out by VO. If it is a conversation, all messages in that thread are opened when the return key is pressed. I can then simply Stop Interacting with the first message that was opened and use VO-right and VO-left to read all the messages in the thread. If I wish to delete the message that I'm currently reading, I just press the Delete key and VO will start reading the next message in the thread. As I said, this works great for me, but others have expressed a preference of using the VO-j method as the subject and sender are not re-voiced.
HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > This whole mail question is confusing to me. If I tab past the first screen > when I open mail I see mailboxes, some of which are checked and some not. Why > is this? What is the check for? Also, if I once get a conversation open, do I > have to arrow to each post and then do a VO J to read and then do VO J again > so I can find the next post and delete the one I just read? Is there a > smoother way to read mail? Are there any settings that would make mail less > cumbersome? > reggie and Allegra > > On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:t > > Hi, > > As John mentioned, it's likely that your Preview Pane is active. When the > Preview Pane is active, the status is usually misread as Mail considers > something read once the Preview Pane of a message has been opened. Simply > arrowing over the message causes the Preview Pane to activate so, from a VO > prospective, you land on the message to determine if you wish to read it or > not, and it is subsequently considered "Read". To deal with the Preview > Pane, I'll paste in some instructions that I figured out back when Mavericks > first came out: > >>> 1. Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane. >>> 2. Check to change to Classic View. >>> 3. Close Mail Prefs. >>> 4. Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table. >>> 5. Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter. >>> 6. Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the >>> physical Trackpad. >>> >>> You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right >>> after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the >>> window. >>> >>> 7. Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box. >>> 8. Close the Mail Prefs. >>> >>> You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating >>> around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and >>> after the Messages Column Group. >>> >>> If it's not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the >>> Preview Pane in Classic view. Once you re-open Mail, you can change back >>> to the Modern View and the change should stick. At least it has for me >>> numerous times. >> >> Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Feb 17, 2014, at 11:16 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> What are you trying to view, Brian? I missed a part of this thread. Do you >> have your preview pane showing? If you are talking about the status of >> messages being read or unread, you have to collapse the preview pane to get >> this to read correctly. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Unfortunately the view menu doesn't offer anything, as the column is there >>> it just stopped saying unread next to the unread messages. Mail in >>> Mavericks is so awful in every aspect, my only conclusion this is Apple's >>> way in to forcing people to only use their iCloud mail accounts, as now I >>> can't even get messages to open half the time when I hit return on a >>> message, and the other half of the time a message will open and say empty >>> scroll area for 20 seconds then lose VO focus and eventually get in to the >>> message. Thanks Mavericks I feel like Mac Mail and at least my experience >>> with it has sent computers back 20 years. Feels like I am trying to load a >>> picture on a 56k prodigy account. >>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> And the view menu there should be a columns area specify what columns are >>>> in the view. Check that out. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> >>>>> Not sure what happened as I haven't changed any settings. In mac mail >>>>> classic view in Mavericks the first column is status and two days ago it >>>>> would tell me unread, replied, etc. Now that is gone. I know it is an >>>>> image that tells you that, but it stopped telling me what was unread. Any >>>>> idea where this setting might be located? I have looked at mail >>>>> preferences, Vo verbosity, and a few other settings where it might apply >>>>> but can't seem to find what has stopped it being read to me. If anyone >>>>> knows please let me know. 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