I’m beta testing xcode 5 and it doesn’t look like anything has changed in that respect. While i have no desire to argue what you’ve pointed out I would like to say I disagree, i believe it’s not very difficult to ignore IB altogether if that’s what somebody chooses, I think the biggest danger is you can end up not making your app accessible by doing this.
On Jul 5, 2013, at 4:07 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are two lists, xcode-users and objc-language, both at apple.com. I am > on both, and I asked them about laying out apps programatically and foregoing > IB entirely. I was basically told that it is difficult to impossible and I > would really need to be able to use IB to do anything useful. Plus, while it > *may* be possible to not use IB, as others have said, every tutorial and book > out there assumes you are using it, and for good reason. Even Apple's own > tutorials, one of which I tried to walk through a few months ago, offered no > alternatives to IB. I have reported the unfortunate accessibility bug that > prevents VO users from control-dragging actions a few times, so they most > definitely know it exists. Perhpas Xcode5 will fix it and all this discussion > will be moot. > On Jul 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Actually, the developers of IB don't know any more about OBJC or apis than >> anyone else. It is just a convenient way of designing the UI and other >> aspects of the architecture of an app. There are also performance benefits >> for using IB in that you have the ability to only loads resources in to >> memory when they are needed, such as windows or panels. You can also >> initialize the values of object properties in the xib so you don't have to >> actually instantiate the object at run time. >> >> >> It does not write your app for you. You can't possibly develop an app with >> it unless you know objective C and C. If you drag a button or textfield out >> of the library on to your canvas and position it in the window, it still >> does absolutely nothing with out code. >> >> All of the documentation for all of the apis used in IB, or any others can >> be found on develper.apple.com. For example, just go to google and type >> NSButton or UITableViewController and the class references will be at or >> very near the top of the search results. >> >> Hear is some objective c links: >> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ProgrammingWithObjectiveC/Introduction/Introduction.html >> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#referencelibrary/GettingStarted/Learning_Objective-C_A_Primer/index.html >> >> A Cocoa link: >> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/CocoaFundamentals/Introduction/Introduction.html >> >> a Mac app development link: >> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapOSX/books/RM_YourFirstApp_Mac/Articles/GettingStarted.html >> >> Some IOS development links: >> http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/iphone/conceptual/iphone101/Articles/00_Introduction.html >> http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/iPhone/Conceptual/SecondiOSAppTutorial/Introduction/Introduction.html >> http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/General/Conceptual/iCloud101/GettingStarted/GettingStarted.html%23//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011317-CH2-SW1 >> >> If you have a Mac and you are interested in app development, You have all of >> the tools and documentation at your disposal. You don't need to buy any >> special books to learn how to do things. I posted a lot of links, but that >> is just a fraction of what is available. I'm just trying to show people >> that there is lots of docs out there. >> >> Later to day or tomorrow, I will post on how to lay out a simple window and >> create an outlet and action in your code using IB. I've posted this before >> and I'm sure it is in the archives somewhere, but I think I can do a much >> better job. For one thing, I'm not going to explain how to use vo as no one >> has any business doing any kind of work with XCode until you know how to do >> that. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> >> -- >> Barry Hadder >> bhad...@gmail.com >> https://twitter.com/BarryHadder >> UnitMaster >> Available in the Mac app store. >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Paul Hunt <prhu...@att.net> wrote: >> >> Hello Tyler. Here’s the problem. The developers who build the Interface >> Builder know a lot more about Objective C and the various APIS than we do. >> When people use the Interface builder, much of the heavy lifting is already >> done for them. Consequently, Authors who write textbooks don’t take the time >> to take us under the hood where we really need to be. Instead, they teach >> the Interface builder then teach students to write the code for the events. >> I checked www.overstock.com and found it to be a huge general purpose forum. >> We really need access to comprehensive Objective C documentation, a complete >> list of the APIS and the documentation for each. Once we learn to build >> applications programmatically, then we are more competent programmers than >> our sighted counterparts because we understand what’s really going on. In >> addition, when we use a textbook, we literally have to translate Interface >> Builder speak into lines of code. The question then is this, where is the >> Objective C documentation? Where can we find a description of all of the >> APIS? Can you point us in the right direction? >> >> Thanks so much. >> >> >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfTyler Thompson >> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 2:13 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: xcode creating actions and outlets >> >> believe me i understand the frustrations of working with objective C, >> especially if it’s new. As it happens I find that programmatically linking >> your UI elements tends to actually work a little better (as it gives you >> much more control), but for each person it’s different :) >> >> >> On Jul 5, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> There is a method which i found on the maccessibility news page. Convoluted, >> and not able to do it yet, it's driving me crazy. >> >> I might try it programmatically but i'm going through a textbook method and >> they're entirely gui based so i'm left wanting, once more. Starting to get >> tired of the whole idea of computers. >> >> Feel like throwing this macbook out and hammer it >> >> >> >> >> "Light has no value without darkness" >> >> >> >> On 5/07/2013, at 12:28 PM, Tyler Thompson <tktpianostud...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> To tack on to my previous comment here’s how you can programatically link >> objects with objective c >> >> NSButton *theButton; >> [theButton addTarget:self action:@selector(buttonMethod:) >> forControlEvents:someControlEvent]; >> >> >> On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am going through an IOS book right now, and am stuck at a point where i >> need to create an action in my controller for a button. I'm supposed to >> control drag a button to my assistant editor so that x code can >> automatically place the appropriate action method and properties to my >> project.h, project.m and project.xib files. But there is no control drag in >> voice over. >> >> Is this another unsurmountable obstacle or is there actually a method to do >> this? >> >> Any help greatly appreciated >> >> Best regards, >> >> Yuma >> >> >> >> "Light has no value without darkness" >> >> >> >> >> "Light has no value without darkness" >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) > mehg...@gmail.com > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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