I love reading mail on the I phone with a braille display.  I prefer how it is 
displayed on an I phone rather than the Mac.  I have to shift tab to delete a 
message, i.e., make sure I'm on the messaging table.  I hate when mail comes in 
on to the Mac as you may have read three or four threads or in the middle of 
reading a thread and your cursor has gone back to the beginning of a thread.  
It makes me very annoyed.  This doesn't happen on my I phone.  Just my comments 
but I'm not complaining!

Kawal.
On 10 Oct 2012, at 21:47, Cheryl Homiak <cahom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> These are not specifically issues having to do with threads and 
> conversations. I am using the new standard mail, not the classical view, but 
> I am not using any kind of threading. I find that I often have messages that 
> don't appear to be deleted and then when I finally go completely out of the 
> messages table and column I finally hear that the table is empty. I find this 
> annoying and it definitely slows me down! I used to just be able to give the 
> delete key a tap and the message was gone; now that doesn't happen a lot of 
> the time and i'm always concerned that I may not know where the focus is and 
> another email may have been deleted instead of the one I was trying to 
> delete. While I like the feature that has lines read when a message comes in 
> or when I am in the index, this can interrupt me when I'm reviewing something 
> else in the index. It is no longer as snappy and quick to run through a bunch 
> of mail as it used to be. I'm actually threatening to take most of my mail 
> reading either to the iPhone and/or back to Alpine in linux on vmware fusion. 
> Of course, part of the appeal of going back to Alpine is that I have braille 
> with my braillelite 40 in the vmware fusion environment ( I sure wish these 
> old serial devices could be full-fledged Mac players but I realize they are 
> old technology) but part of it is that mail on my mac, while still quite 
> doable, isn't as easy as it used to be. I kind of thought i must be doing 
> something that wasn't the best practice and hadn't researched this so hadn't 
> said anything on a list yet. I even tried hitting enter and then tabbing to 
> delete but that is unnecessarily slow in my opinion. I realize this post 
> isn't that helpful as I have no actual suggestions to give, but I didn't 
> realize quite how frustrated I am with the Apple mail situation until I saw 
> this post so I'm venting a little, and when I get going you get extra 
> irrelevant data at no extra cost, unless you are paying for the download of 
> my complaining. Don't get me wrong; I love my Mac and it is now my primary 
> OS, but mail sometimes really annoys me when I'm trying to run rapidly 
> through a bunch of messages. I've even considered whether the fact that I am 
> using imap contributes to this, but since I am using mail on two iPhones, my 
> Macbook pro, and sometimes Alpine in linux, it makes more sense to use imap. 
> Okay I'm done; you can all take your hands down off your ears now without 
> fear of losing precious hearing from listening to me yell!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 3:23 PM, "Jeff Bishop" <j...@jeffbishop.com> wrote:
> 
>> Please see this message. Does anyone have any pointers that I might be able 
>> to pass along?
>>  
>> Hello all,
>> My name is Amber and I'm having some problems with Mac Mail in Mountain 
>> lion. I am using Gmail along with Mac mail. I have set up Gmail with its 
>> accompanying folders. I find that I am having trouble with voiceover in the 
>> conversations that I have created  in Mac mail.  I like the option to thread 
>> my replies, but I am finding that voiceover repeats the "conversation 
>> disclosure triangle" quite a bit when I arrow through messages.  In 
>> addition, I am also having trouble deleting emails within threads. Sometimes 
>> when I use the backspace key, the messages within the threads are deleted. 
>> However, sometimes they are not, or the messages seem to be deleted, but the 
>> same message is read to me a few times. It is almost as if voiceover cannot 
>> catch up with my deletion of certain messages within the thread although I 
>> am not deleting them very quickly. In order for them to be permanently 
>> deleted, I have to hit command and  W and close the entire thread.
>> Another issue I am having is that sometimes command delete will delete the 
>> message and sometimes it will not. There are a few things that I have done 
>> to try to fix this problem. I have removed my Gmail account and put it back 
>> onto Mac mail. I have also gone into the view menu and changed it to classic 
>> mail view.. In the mail preferences under the view tab, list previews are 
>> turned off.   Show headers is also said to none. Include all messages is 
>> also unchecked. Mark own messages as read this unchecked. Should this be 
>> checked?
>> I am running Mountain lion OS 10 on a MacBook. Not a pro. It is about two 
>> years old. I have done all updates to Mountain lion just today.
>> I have also noted that voiceover is a bit sluggish on my machine. Sometimes 
>> it takes a while to catch up to what I'm doing.
>> If anyone could help I would greatly appreciated. You can email me at 
>> amber.wall...@gmail.com. Thank you.
>> Sincerely,
>> Amber
>>  
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