Hi Steve and Others,

I navigated the table entries by setting the web rotor to form controls.  Then 
if you use VO-U you can move down the list to the item you want and use 
VO-Space or your Up+Down arrow keys to check/uncheck the box. By default the 
listed entries will be set to "Mountain Lion", I think.  To change the listed 
entries to something else, set your web rotor to links, use VO-U, and choose 
"All Ebooks" (a really long list, though, so I don't necessarily recommend it) 
or arrow down past topics to "General Macintosh", "Apple's Mac Apps", "Other 
Mac Apps", "Airport & Wi-Fi", etc.  Then activate the link to reload the new 
entries, navigate to the heading "Save 50% During the Take Control September 
Sale!", and VO-Right or Right Arrow to the table.  

The other way that works for me is to use item chooser menu (VO-I), then type 
the first few letters of "unchecked".  Navigate down to the title you want, and 
use VO-Space or the Up+Down arrow keys to check or uncheck the box.  The issue 
I have when choosing a link to load up another set of books is that these 
navigation controls don't refresh with the new entries as being associated with 
the titles.  If I toggle VoiceOver on and off, I can view the newly selected 
entries under Form Controls in the web rotor, or when I use item chooser menu 
and type "u n c" to find the unchecked entries, and then I can check or uncheck 
the boxes without any use of Mouse Keys.

Gremlins seem to be swallowing up some of my posts these last two days.  I 
originally composed a long and detailed answer to Cheryl much earlier in this 
thread, only to have it disappear.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Sep 30, 2012, at 07:07, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Steve,
> 
> I've just had a look at this table and it's a total mess! I can get further 
> down through it by using mousekeys, but the VoiceOver cursor won't go there. 
> This site is renowned for being horrible to navigate in any case.
> 
> Sorry not to have a better solution, but mousekeys is all that works for me. 
> If you want to try this method, make sure that you have the check box Speak 
> text under mouse after delay checked in the Verbosity category, Announcements 
> tab, in VoiceOver utility. Oh yes, and set the delay to zero.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 30 Sep 2012, at 18:30, Steve Holmes <steve.holme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Help!!! Something terribly wrong with navigation of tables or something.  
>> When I go to the below site and try and navigate the table, I can't go down 
>> through the remaining rows.  While inside the table of books, I use the 
>> VO-Arrow keys to try and go on down past row 2 but it appears to be going 
>> across the table and then it wraps back to top row again.  What might I be 
>> doing wrong here? I haven't had trouble with tables in HTML before.
>> 
>> I'm using 10.8.2.
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Esther <mori...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> The Take Control ebooks, one of the great sources of information for the 
>>> Mac and iOS devices, are on sale for the end of September with a coupon 
>>> code of "CPN20921SEPSALE" (without the quotation marks) that will give a 
>>> 50% discount when applied at check out up through the end of September.  
>>> These books are DRM-free, and are available in both PDF and ePub versions.  
>>> Furthermore, once you purchase a book, which generally lists for $10 or 
>>> $15, you can get all minor version revisions free and re-download alternate 
>>> formats from your account, and often you can get a discount on the new 
>>> major version of the eBook.
>>> 
>>> I'm cc'ing this to the viphone list, because some titles, such as "Take 
>>> Control of iTunes" or even "Take Control of Switching to the Mac", may be 
>>> of interest.  For Mac users, titles such as "Take Control of Apple Mail in 
>>> Mountain Lion",
>>> "Take Control of Using Mountain Lion", "Take Control of Troubleshooting 
>>> Your Mac, Second Edition", "Take Control of the Mac Command Line with 
>>> Terminal" (for learning to use Terminal and unix concepts), "Take Control 
>>> of Backing Up Your Mac", and "Take Control of Your 802.11n AirPort Network, 
>>> Third Edition" (for general Wi-Fi setups and use) might be of interest.  
>>> These guides are very hands on and practical;  some of them have 
>>> information that I've never found anywhere else.  
>>> 
>>> If you log in through their special anniversary sale link, the coupon code 
>>> should get filled in automatically.  This URL is:
>>> http://tid.bl.it/september-sale-mountain-lion
>>> 
>>> Alternatively, if this web page is busy, you can go to their catalog page:
>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog
>>> 
>>> You can browse the "Take Control" titles in iBooks, if you have an iOS 
>>> device, but the discounted price and the ability to download alternative 
>>> formats and be informed of new, free, updates is only available for 
>>> purchases made through their web site.  (I find it easier to browse the 
>>> titles in iBooks).
>>> 
>>> I'll put in a few sample direct links to specific books on their web site:
>>> • Take Control of iTunes 10: The FAQ, Second Edition
>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/itunes
>>> • Take Control of Apple Mail in Mountain Lion
>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/mountain-lion-apple-mail
>>> • Take Control of Using Mountain Lion
>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/mountain-lion-using
>>> • Take Control of Switching to the Mac
>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/switching
>>> • Take Control of Backing up Your Mac
>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/backing-up
>>> • Take Control of the Mac Command Line with Terminal
>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line
>>> • Take Control of Your 802.11n AirPort Network, Third Edition
>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/airport-n
>>> 
>>> There are also good guides for GarageBand, third party apps such as 
>>> Scrivener.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> -

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