HI, Just saw this and wanted to thank and add an other question: Is vo not supposed to announce if a control on a web page has an access key? It did not do this in this case or any that I remember but think I read something about this in the vo tutorial. IS there a way to
THanks again, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Jul 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Ioana, > > The ctrl n and ctrl p access key combinations for reading the next and > previous messages in a mailing list thread are specific to the Mail Archive > site, which supports access key shortcuts for all browsers that offer them. > This means that if you are reading the Mail Archives on a Windows computer > using Internet Explorer you'd use the Alt key as your access key, and use the > shortcuts of Alt n and Alt p They specifically define 6 combinations that are > listed in their FAQ, where you apply the access key prefix appropriate to > your operating system and browser. So, if I were using FIrefox on Windows or > Linux, I'd use Alt+Shift for the access key prefix. The six shortcut key > combinations given in the FAQ, listed by shortcut, mnemonic, and action are > (for Safari): > > Ctrl+n (next) later message by thread > Ctrl+p (previous) earlier message by thread > Ctrl+f (forward) later message by date > Ctrl+b (back) earlier message by date > Ctrl+i (index) chronological index > Ctrl+c (contents) thread index > > The Mail archive FAQ may be found at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html > You can browse through the FAQ links to items such as "Do you support > keyboard shortcuts?" (which I summarized above) or "What is the search > syntax?" > > Using the Mail archive site to search for past discussion posts is like being > able to do a Google search on all the topics discussed on the list. It's > actually even better than trying to search in the Google Groups archive for > this list, because the search algorithm to find relevant posts is better, and > the options for adding terms to search by author, subject, date range along > with wild cards and Boolean modifiers are also easier to use, type in, and > also to modify a search and then relaunch. However, because the basic search > features are so good, I rarely have to use features such as date range, etc. > > Your question was specifically about reading down threads with the Ctrl+n > keyboard shortcuts. That's one of the features I really like about using the > Mail Archive site for this list: when I find a topic or answer that I want to > know more about, I can also quickly find out the context and the related > discussion from other posts in the thread. This also helps in the case of > one line or one word answers, when someone is answering a question earlier in > the thread, and you can't tell from their message alone what question they're > answering. And what's great about the access key shortcuts is that they work > for different operating system/browser combinations. So if you're using > Internet Explorer on Windows, or Firefox on linux, you can still use keyboard > shortcuts to read up and down threads of posts. Also, the Mail Archive web > pages of posts are straight text, apart from links that you might insert in > your messages, and are very easy to navigate. > > The address of the Mail Archive page for an archived list is simply the > posting address of that list appended to the mail Mail Archive web page that > is terminated with a slash: > http://www.mail-archive.com/ > So for the URL for the macvisionaries archived page this is: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@gogglegroups.com > > This page shows links to the most recent posts in threaded "contents" view. > If I want to view this as a chronological index, with the link to the most > recent post first, I can press cntrl+i, to view the messages by date instead > of by thread. I find it convenient to use group mode web navigation with the > threaded entries, but either DOM or group mode settings can be used here. If > you use the link for "earlier messages" in either viewing mode by thread or > by date, you can view earlier listed links back through about 15 pages, I > think -- something like the last 3000 entries. > > Usually, I'll either view the most recent page at the Mail Archive in > threaded view, if I'm reading the list when I'm traveling, and have gone "no > mail" for a while, or else I'll go directly to the text box, type in some > search terms, and then press return to get search results. > > Mail archive searches also let you use wild cards if you don't know the exact > spelling, and will also let you use information about the poster of a topic. > So, for example, suppose I read a reference in someone's post about a > podcast that Allison had done on Amadeus Pro, and wanted to find out where I > could get this by using the Mail Archive. Also, assume I wasn't sure whether > Allison's name was spelled with one "l" or two. I could type into the search > box: > "from:Al*ison Amadeus podcast" > without the quotation marks. The first link would give me Allison's post > describing where to find her podcast on using Amadeus Pro. It's more common > to use wild cards like the "*" I typed in the middle of Allison's name when I > don't know the exact spelling of a search term, but still want to pull up > results. In general, if I'm doing a topic search, I won't use the "from:" > argument -- just search terms. But occasionally, if I remember who gave a > particular hint, or want to check whether Anne said something about Pages or > Ricardo gave instructions about Garageband, I'll type "from:" with a colon > after the word, and then type in the name of the poster I want to query. > Searches are not case sensitive, but the way. > > Searching the mail archive is a great source of information when you're new > to a list, and want to read what has been said about topics you might find > interesting, but don't yet know a lot about. It's also often easier to use > if you're not an English speaker, and don't feel comfortable about posting > questions, but want to get information. The search results come up as simple > links, with the subject of the post, the date, and a brief part of the text > related to the search terms, followed by the name of the poster. Usually, > that's enough to let you locate the posts that are of interest, and you can > activate the links of posts you want to read in detail. Then, you can also > read up or down the thread with ctrl+p or ctrl+n. > > Usually, the results you want will come up in the first few links, but if you > decide to revise your query, I just go back to a previous page and modify my > search terms, then press return again. If you want to force the results to > be displayed in chronological order, instead of search relevancy order, add a > term like "sort: newest" or "sort: oldest" to your search, where the word > "sort" is followed by a colon. > > Since the searches run according to relevancy, you'll find answers even when > the subject lines are not helpful. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: > >> HI all, >> >> I recently got a great recommendation off list from Esther. Informative as >> usually. I learned I could go to next or previous message in the >> mail-archive page using ctrl n and ctrl p respectively. I tried looking up >> this shortcut in the safari help menu and could not find any reference to >> such a shortcut. IS it page specific or works for any safari window and if >> so what does it do? >> >> THanks for your help! >> >> Ioana >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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