I fully agree with you here. as regards this matter and further issues surrounding the user's help, the matter is now CLOSED and I am assisting the user in her problems.
I trust you all have a pleasant day / evening / night. many thanks lew On 5 May 2012, at 22:39, Eric Oyen wrote: > oh boy. > > it is my considered opinion that there is no such thing as a stupid question. > and yes, some of us have differing methods to learn the same things and these > methods can be difficult to understand because they are unique to the > individual. take me, for instance... I am totally blind AND a dyslexic. so, > my brain processes the printed (broiled) word differently from those who are > not dyslexic. simply because of this one difference, the way I ask questions > and search for information may be slightly different. > > believe me when I say it, google is not all that friendly when it comes to > searches. if you add one too many words or use the wrong word, your searches > will yield unexpected results. sometimes an operator word (such as and, or, > if) can balloon the results to such an extent that the search is meaningless. > come to think of it, I may want to sit down and develop a podcast to teach > how to do proper searches using google. anyway, simply dismissing someone and > saying they are being spoon fed is rude. if you have a problem with people > who need this method for whatever reason, then don't bloody respond. now, I > had to go through this for a long time with a friend of mine. it took me a > very long time to learn (and then get comfortable with) and use google > effectively. there are still times where the amount of extraneous information > is so high that searching becomes an exercise in frustration. so, if anyone > on here asks a question, try to help them, not berate them. > > just my thoughts > > -eric > > On May 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Jenny Keller wrote: > >> I'm not sure exactly who the moderator of this list is, but I would >> appreciate it if this situation could be handled promptly. >> >> I shouldn't have to be treated like this on this list. >> >> I am sending a copy of a message I received from someone on this list and I >> would appreciate it if you would take care of this, one way or another. >> >> FIrst let me tell you lady I am anything but lazy and I think a lot of >> people have made a considerable amount of effort to help you on this list. >> You know Jenny with that damned attitude you cannot possibly expect help. >> FOr the love of God can't you at least indicate that you tried to find the >> bloddy answer first!!!! THe way you ask all of your questions indicates to >> me that you have not even attempted to look at the help files etc. You do >> know how to use the search facilities on GOogle do you not? Do you know how >> to use the help facilities in the application? You know some of your >> questions are so confusing that it is not even clear what you are talking >> about at times. I should know better than to even waste time encouraging you >> to do the research because this is exactly the type of response I should >> expect. You most definitely come across as though you want to be fed the >> information just in the way you post your messages. No one minds helping >> you, but at least demonstrate you have tried. As far as the podcast is >> concerned I am truly unclear as to how you become more confused. You talk >> about how it is not the way you learn, so then explain how you do learn. You >> cannot expect folks on the list to know your learning style and sit down to >> write mini tutorials with "step 1 open the application" etc. If that is what >> you want then say so, otherwise how does anyone know how to feed you >> information. >> So I guess I'll just be to lazy to lower myself to help you in the future >> and your crappy attitude certainly took care of that. >> >> Good luck, you're going to need it. >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote: >> >>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience >>> anyone with my question. >>> >>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn >>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more >>> frustrated and confused than I started out. >>> >>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this >>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers. >>> >>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and >>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient >>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast. >>> >>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents >>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant >>> question. >>> >>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable >>> answers to simple questions. >>> >>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up. >>> >>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my >>> simple question. >>> >>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to >>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will >>> certainly leave my inbox. >>> >>> Jenny >>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information >>>> and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a >>>> step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me >>>> that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly on your own >>>> and just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and >>>> encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already >>>> tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the >>>> podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app. >>>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just >>>> give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are >>>> being unfair to those who are providing you the resources. >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote: >>>> >>>>> I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are >>>>> for. >>>>> >>>>> I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a >>>>> reminder. >>>>> >>>>> I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought >>>>> I had other reminders. I don't see any old ones though. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of >>>>> it I already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too >>>>> advanced for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so >>>>> overloaded that I can't absorb any more information. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and >>>>> if you have my number, just call if you want to. >>>>> >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>>>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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