if it still requires sighted help, than you are limited to the time one of the 
other players has for you or whoever you have helping you right there. that, to 
me, is not very user friendly. I'd say redesigning the sound environment to 
sound more real and having a radar like app/add-on that would indicate walls, 
speak heading, speak chats, and chirp when you have targeted the monsters might 
make it a lot more playable for us. otherwise, doing with sighted help in a 
dungeon or a raid will not work as the others in the chat will get frustrated 
or simply refuse to allow you to play. I have had that happen more than once 
when I mentioned that I had trouble seeing the screen. there was one or 2 
raiding groups that knew me and what my vision was at that time and I always 
got invited because I played like a demon (13k to 15k damage per second was 
very respectable)

since going total, there has been no way I could effectively play without 
having someone sitting here to tell me what was going on around me. that took 
the fun right out of it. tried it for about 2 weeks and got so frustrated I 
finally quit the game, had my account locked and moved on.

-eric

On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:17 PM, John Panarese wrote:

>    It requires a sighted helper.  There is no other way to play any of the 
> MMORPGs.  However, as I said, the keyboard can be configured to make the game 
> so that a blind user does have a considerable amount of control over their 
> character.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> as far as I know, I was the only low partial player in the game (WoW) and I 
>> never heard of a total in there at all. 
>> there is a big problem in WoW that there is no way to determine if you are 
>> about to run off a cliff, or interface with a vendor or run into walls, etc. 
>> Also, I never heard of a game guide dog (and I have been a wow player since 
>> the game was in beta until I lost my remaining sight midway through 2010). 
>> 
>> as far as I know, there aren't any add-ons that will interface with jaws in 
>> windows and none at all for OS X. 
>> 
>> now, as for forcing voice chat (using either Ventrilo, TeamSpeak or the 
>> built-in interface) that can be easily arrangeable. 
>> 
>> Still, WoW is a very visual game and the interface is specifically designed 
>> around that. Blizzard would have to redesign the sound environment to allow 
>> us to play (such as changes to how we sound when a path is underfoot versus 
>> woods or grassland) or how dungeons sound (like sound reflecting around 
>> corners, etc). your talking a major redesign of the game to accomplish this. 
>> Now if blizzard did this, they could have a potential customer base of close 
>> to 19 million kids and young adults who are blind/VI. that would represent 
>> more than $100 million a month that they could put toward the R&D to do 
>> this. I certainly wouldn't mind getting back into it. Before I went total, I 
>> had one of the top 100 rated elf Hunters on shadow council realm. I did the 
>> hard core raiding even into Wrath of the Lich King. I certainly would enjoy 
>> being there again and proving to the world that, given the right tools, we 
>> couldd do anything.
>> 
>> still? a game guide dog? never even heard of one of those. also, there are 
>> problems setting follow on another a party member. they may go behind an 
>> object and end up losing you. that is part of the game mechanics they 
>> haven't worked the kinks out with yet.
>> 
>> btw, my names across the realms were:
>> tank (undead): videodrome
>> Hunter (horde elf): Findekano
>> Hunter (alliance): elladansar
>> 
>> I don't remember what all my other tons were. I had.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Michael Malarsie wrote:
>> 
>>> That's right. I said it.
>>> 
>>>     I know someone who is 100% who plays WoW. He uses a handful of specific 
>>> addons and an in game guide dog to get around.
>>>     Basically he uses macros to follow another player and they voice chat 
>>> and complete raids and other aspects of the game.
>>>     Why do I bring this up?First because I am hoping that someone in this 
>>> list has heard about it or maybe even better has actualy experience.
>>>     Second, because I am preparing to embark on the journey myself. I have 
>>> a neighbor who talked me into reviving my old account. I am now fishing  
>>> for any and all info. If you have anything at all that may be helpful or 
>>> anything else email me off list  at
>>> 
>>> michael.malar...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone and have a great day
>>> 
>>> Mike Malarsie 
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