They should check out the refurbs from the apple store Frank Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:52 AM, "Donna Goodin" <goodi...@msu.edu> wrote: > Hi Mika, > > You know, that is absolutely amazing! I looked on EBay and Craig's list to > see what 2009 MBPs with the same specs are going for, and there are people > getting $800-900 for the things. that really surprised me, and yeah, it > makes the sticker-shock on the MBA a little less staggering. :) > > thanks for the Amazon suggestion, I hadn't thought of that. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > >> Hi Donna, >> >> When I upgraded my Mac Mini I was able to easily sell the old one on Amazon >> for almost the cost of the new one. Its neat with Amazon as you can find >> the particular product you have, and click on e.g. I have one to sell, and >> you do not have to type in the full description or supply photos, etc. I >> think it sold with in 24 hours of posting if not faster. >> >> Best, >> Mika >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:15 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >> >> Hi Neil, >> >> thanks for paying such close attention to my message, and for writing such a >> great response. I actually picked up an MBA last weekend, and am inclined >> to agree with you on all points. Happily this particular store actually >> carried the models with the upgraded specs, so I was able to get that model >> without ordering it online. I have to say, it's a pretty amazing little >> machine. It's quite speedy--though I haven't really put it through all its >> paces yet as I haven't transferred my data over. And the sound is amazingly >> good for such a small device. I do notice a fairly significant difference >> in sound between the MBA and my 13-inch MBP, but as you say, not so much of >> a difference that it would impact my choice of machine. Now the only >> question remaining is whether I feel rich enough to live without the $1700, >> especially given that my 2009 MBP is working just fine. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:39 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Donna, >>> >>> Looking at this, I've owned the 15in MBP and all three of the Air's, the >>> original incarnation and now the 2010 11in and the revised 2011 11in. >>> >>> Firstly sound, if you were looking at the original 13in Air, the sound was >>> hopeless, with a mono single speaker I really didn't like that thing. >>> >>> The 11in 2010 and 2011 models though for me solve that. there's stereo baby >>> built right in there, and although there's not much bass to talk of, the >>> sound is clear and it packs a surprising amount of punch for its size. >>> >>> put against the 15in, its a notable difference in richness and output, but >>> against the 13in MBP, I think less so. >>> >>> you do have the bass issue and if you like your tones, not just music but >>> Alex etc to have that depth it might make you think, but I find that once I >>> sit down in front of it, unless I'm working with my iMac along side the >>> Air, which I do every now and then, you'll not notice it. >>> >>> Looking at this DVD business, lets see, presumably you're not watching >>> DVD's in the class room etc, so why not just leave the USB drive for that >>> in your hotel etc, I've seen you state that this lack of a DVD drive is a >>> real issue, but only as you seem to watch films, well as someone else has >>> said, a lot of it is downloadable now, you can also rip them, and finally, >>> if you're like me, why should I pay to download something I own on disk, >>> spend the additional $80 and get the super drive... leave it in your hotel >>> room and you're good to go. >>> >>> I use my Air for everything when I'm not at a desk, and my iMac if I am. >>> >>> The issue that a lot of folk seem to be throwing up over spec and >>> performance, you really need to ask yourself what you're going to be doing >>> with it, I find my Air faster than my MBP 15in, which I had as a late 2010 >>> model with full processor upgrade, I think a 2.9Ghz i7 with 4Gb of RAM. but >>> you see most of what I do is word processing, e-mail and internet, oh and >>> iTunes / watching DVD's. >>> >>> I carry my MBA all around the world with me, leaving the super drive in >>> hotel rooms or my carry on in a plane if its a long flight. >>> >>> I personally think its really the way to go if you're seriously looking to >>> lighten the load. >>> >>> there is an InCase sleeve for the 11in and 13in available from the Apple >>> online store, I use this and think its great... for whoever asked that >>> question. >>> >>> HTH. >>> >>> Neil Barnfather. >>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:29, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mika, >>> >>> I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I >>> haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect >>> there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will seem >>> as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, that >>> time hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the lack of >>> an SD card slot, this is a question of personal preference and usage. >>> >>> The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is slower >>> than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up for a lot >>> of the difference there. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>> >>>> As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard drive >>>> of say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the road? >>>> >>>> I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being >>>> acquired through a platform like the Mac app store. >>>> >>>> I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have a >>>> built in DVD drive? >>>> >>>> Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I >>>> would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how >>>> much of an improvement the processor is, etc. >>>> >>>> BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent >>>> release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly >>>> because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for >>>> Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the >>>> Mac ways of doing things. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> mika >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>> >>>> Hey Chris, >>>> >>>> Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB >>>> drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. >>>> >>>> That 11-inch Air is *reeeeeally calling my name. I would have given >>>> anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big >>>> enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see >>>> why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more >>>> powerful device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with >>>> the iPad, I'd be all over it! >>>> >>>> I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I >>>> can't see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. >>>> So I don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane >>>> travel coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to >>>> take the Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not >>>> a necessity. Buuuut ... lol >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Donna, >>>>> >>>>> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >>>>> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB >>>>> dongle instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >>>>> >>>>> I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. >>>>> >>>>> I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are >>>>> heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I >>>>> would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I >>>>> want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mika, >>>>>> >>>>>> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard >>>>>> drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in >>>>>> ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also >>>>>> has better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether >>>>>> net via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need >>>>>> to haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is >>>>>> a more powerful computer, with more features built-in. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>>>>>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed >>>>>>> of the machine, etc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Mika >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >>>>>>> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >>>>>>> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >>>>>>> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >>>>>>> session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in >>>>>>> the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the >>>>>>> backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable >>>>>>> vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to >>>>>>>> haul around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my >>>>>>>> MBP to and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, >>>>>>>> and all those buildings are different from the building where my >>>>>>>> office is. So I'll be carrying it around most of the day, along with >>>>>>>> a braille display. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. >>>>>>>> So I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just >>>>>>>> getting the low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of >>>>>>>> portability. >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it >>>>>>>>> wasn't that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those >>>>>>>>> computer bags with a shoulder strap but it started bothering my >>>>>>>>> shoulder. I finally picked up one for cheap from Megamacs and have >>>>>>>>> really liked it. Very comfortable and more pockets to lose things in >>>>>>>>> :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's been several years now >>>>>>>>> but the one I got is still available: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so >>>>>>>>> you have to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. >>>>>>>>> I guess it's no worse than many web shopping carts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the >>>>>>>>>> next several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously >>>>>>>>>> considering shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm >>>>>>>>>> looking at one of the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My >>>>>>>>>> MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. >>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can give me an accurate >>>>>>>>>> comparison of the user experience on these two models. A couple of >>>>>>>>>> the things I'm wondering about are: >>>>>>>>>> 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster >>>>>>>>>> processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume >>>>>>>>>> will compensate, at least to some extent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how >>>>>>>>>> the two compare. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If there are any other differences that people have experienced, >>>>>>>>>> either good or bad, I'd love to hear. >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P.S. 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