Hi Ricardo,

I'm also concerned aboug the cost for the data plans going up before the next 
iPhone comes out.  Remember, at least for Verizon customers, a data plan is 
required ven if one has wiFI.  It's my understanding that the data plan, at 
least for a limited time will be $29.99 for unimited access, and that's 
appealing.  It's a tough call, I'll acknowledge that.  I just don't like the 
unknown factors here.

Les
On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Right,
> 
> Its not upgrading or not upgrading.  Its the reasons one might use to do 
> either.  If you get terrible AT&T service like you do, it sounds very 
> sensible to me to grab an iPhone 4.  Or if your phone is falling apart.  I 
> just urge people, especially blind people, to try to keep current with 
> hardware if they can.  It could mean enhanced accessibility, and or, 
> productivity.  For example, the addition of LED flash, a faster processor, 
> and a better camera, probably leads to better and faster results using an app 
> like oMoby, and aid colors.  Just running voiceover or zoom takes a way from 
> the devices resources that sighted people don't need to compensate for.  In 
> the case of the limited offering of the unlimited data plan from VZ, I think 
> people should think long and hard about this.  Do you have reliable wifi 
> access at home, work, school, or other places you spend a lot of time?  Does 
> your usage now, 
> comes
> anywhere near lets say 2GB of data a month?  Depending on the answers, you 
> might not even need an unlimited data plan.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> I don't think it's such a weak position.  Remember, I didn't upgrade to the 
>> iPhone 4 last year.  My 3gs has served me fine.  I'm just not sure that the 
>> iphone 4 is going to be instantly obsolete like you suggest.  I think people 
>> will have to evaluate the new features of the iphone, and then make a 
>> decision as to whether it's worth it to upgrade to the 5.  Personally, I may 
>> well hang on to my VZ iphone until a model with lte does come out.
>> Donna
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Nope.  I understand that piece to the puzzle.  Its really not a piece at 
>>> all in my opinion.  I don't think the iPhone 5 will have 4 g anyway.  And 
>>> if it did, what your saying is still a weak position I think.  For example, 
>>> Lets say you buy an iPhone 4 on VZ.  The iPhone 5 comes out in June, and it 
>>> happens to have LTE.  Its ok because there is no coverage in your area.  
>>> Cool.  Your not missing anything.  But what if your area has LTE in 
>>> September?  Or October?  You will still have your 3g iPhone 4.  Verizon 
>>> would really start rolling out LTE at a blistering pace if the iPhone 5 was 
>>> a LTE handset.   But of course, there is a lot of if and buts in there. 
>>> lol.  I was just referring to people who would not have bought an iPhone 4 
>>> on verizon now plunking down the cash just to have unlimited data.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yeah, but Ricardo, you're missing a big piece here.  Last week I was 
>>>> asking about figuring out whether my area has LTE.  I got my answer to 
>>>> that question, and it doesn't.  So, yes, there'll be a newer version of 
>>>> the iPhone released shortly after I buy the VZ iPhone.  But if I don't 
>>>> have LTE here, it doesn't really matter.  True, I'll be left out of some 
>>>> of the new features, but I figure I'll get a year out of the iPhone 4, and 
>>>> then when we have LTE out here, I'll get the iphone 5.  I think the 
>>>> picture is really different for those of us who don't live in New York, 
>>>> California, etc.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Donna
>>>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:13 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I must applaud Verizon for this hustle.  Its freaking genius.  They have 
>>>>> found the ultimate carrot to entice people to by out dated, soon to be 
>>>>> obsolete, hardware.  lol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
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>>>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Donna, 
>>>>>> I spoke with a rep at Verizon today and also checked the Verizon 
>>>>>> wireless site, and noted the limited time $29.99 data plan.  This is a 
>>>>>> major reason I'm gong for the iPhone now rather than waiting, because 
>>>>>> I'll bet by the time iPhone 5 comes out, the price will have risen.  As 
>>>>>> my wife and I are both getting the iPhone, I want to lock in that price 
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Careful there.  According to the article, there will be a limited data 
>>>>>>> plan for $39, but for a short time, an unlimited option will be 
>>>>>>> available for $29.99.  At least, that's how I read it.
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Sarah:
>>>>>>>> Thanks for doing the math on that one.:)  I kind of figured at&t would 
>>>>>>>> have to do something better and stronger to have let Verizon get it's 
>>>>>>>> paws on the iPhone.:)
>>>>>>>> I've come to like at&t better anyway, and I don't plan to jump ship 
>>>>>>>> any time soon.:)
>>>>>>>> Carolyn H
>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> lol. Has anyone managed to read the article? I f you add up VZ's 
>>>>>>>>> prices and then add up at&t's prices I believe if I did my math right 
>>>>>>>>> at&t will be a bit cheaper in the end.
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Aloha yourself. We all make errors. My partners says I'm to picky at 
>>>>>>>>>> times. Guess the writer in me is my downfall. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Aloha, 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Our new book "YOU MIGHT BE A MORON" is on sale at 
>>>>>>>>>> www.giantdolphin.com click the off the bookshelf link 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2011, at 1:45 PM, "Carolyn" <chaas0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Charlie, or rather, aloha:
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I realize after I asked what is "chaper that I wrote "chapter" 
>>>>>>>>>>> So, I had no room to grumble.:)
>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, it reminds me that we could most of us spend a little 
>>>>>>>>>>> time proofing before hitting send.:)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Carolyn H
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Charlie Doremus
>>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:20 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Apple's online store reveals Verizon iPhone voice 
>>>>>>>>>>> plans starting at $39.99
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Me thinks the word could be cheaper. Proofreading is a lost skill.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Aloha, 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Our new book "YOU MIGHT BE A MORON" is on sale at 
>>>>>>>>>>> www.giantdolphin.com click the off the bookshelf link 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Carolyn Haas <chaas0...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is chapter?  
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like at&t will be chaper in the end why? read on:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dlvr.it/F8cdn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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