Hi AZ and Anne, > On 13 Jan 2011, at 06:23, AZ wrote: >> >> If i treat them like english nothing happens. >>
AZ is using a Russian language localization. When you use other languages with VoiceOver on the Mac there are three components: 1) the voice -- Russian Infovox voice Alyona from AssistiveWare; 2) the input language keyboard -- Russian Cyrillic character entry; 3) the language localization -- determines language of spell checker and grammar checker, window labels, and the language of your Help instructions. AZ should be able to use the standard OS X Mac keyboard shortcuts for "find" and "find next" that are used by other Russian Mac users if he reads in TextEdit. I can't check this without setting up an account with Russian localization, but when I read Russian text I usually use TextEdit. I use the built-in OS X shortcuts for "find" and "find next" by pressing Command+f and Command+g to search for text. My guess is that these shortcuts, or at least "Command+f", work the same way for a Russian Mac user, since AZ mentioned using "Ctrl+f" for Windows and Jaws. In any case, there should be standard OS X Mac keyboard shortcut equivalents for searching for a Mac Russian keyboard+language localization that will work with VoiceOver in TextEdit, even if the shortcut is not "Command+f". When I read Russian text or equations with special characters, I usually do this from TextEdit, which is best at handling extended character sets. I switch voices, and I switch input language keyboards (to move to previous and next input language, which I have set up on my system to be Option+Shift+Space and Option+Space). If the text is on a web page, I'll send it to TextEdit by using a services menu option "New TextEdit Window Containing Selection". This is an option that can be set up under System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts when "Services" is selected in the table of Shortcuts collections, and the "New TextEdit Window Containing Selection" service is checked in the second table of services shortcuts under the list of text services. The easy way to use this is to assign it a keyboard shortcut. Then you can select text, or use Command-a to select all, and use your custom keyboard shortcut for "New TextEdit Window Containing Selection", and a TextEdit window with the selected text will appear. To search for text, I press Command+f, where "f" is located at the position of the "f" for English input, and then either type or paste in the text (which can be in Cyrillic). The shortcut may use a different key for Russian Mac use, but you can probably find out which key is used for "Find" by doing a Google search of Russian Mac sites. The issue is VoiceOver searching and keyboard shortcut commands with non-Roman keyboard input languages (e.g., Russian, Greek, Arabic) rather than non-English layouts. As long as the keyboard can generate Roman alphabet letters, it is possible to issue VoiceOver commands through some combination of typing, keyboard shortcuts, or through the VoiceOver Commands or Help menus (e.g., VO-h-h). For Anne, and others who may be interested, I launched TextEdit with a Russian localization from Terminal with this command: /Applications/TextEdit.app/Contents/MacOS/TextEdit -AppleLanguages '(ru)' & The argument with "ru" to the AppleLanguages switch specifies the languages localization to be Russian -- it would be "en" for English, "fr" for French, "de" for German, etc. The ampersand sign at the end of the line indicates this command should be spawned as a background process. That means that when TextEdit starts up in the GUI, I can continue to use Terminal to type commands. If I don't include the ampersand before pressing the return key after typing this command, I won't regain control of Terminal until TextEdit closes in the GUI. If you launch TextEdit this way from Terminal, you should not have TextEdit already open in the GUI. The difference in choosing the Russian language localization here, is that the windows will be labeled in Russian, and the dialog windows and pop up buttons will display the commands for the options to "Find", "Replace", etc. in Russian rather than in English. And by default spell checking and grammar checking will be done in Russian. Again, my account is set up with a U.S. English localization. Also, I'll just mention that there is a Russian phonetic input keyboard option. This won't be of interest to native Russian users, but it might be of interest to users who are used to touch-typing on English input keyboards. This places the keys for Cyrillic letters where their English phonetic equivalents would be -- so the first letter in the alphabet is associated with the "a" key on an English keyboard, the second is associated with "b", and the third (a "v" sound) with "v", etc. HTH. 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