Hi Carolyn and list, Make certain that you are *NOT* interacting with the table of messages in a mail box. You can turn off the auto interact when tabbing feature in the VO utility in the Navigation dialog. I must have tested tab when I was interacting -- I just interacted with the table and then tab worked as you described and as I remembered. If this table is not being interacted with, tab moves you to the preview pane and in most instances causes the textt of the message to be read.
HTH. Geoff On Oct 15, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: > Hi Geoff: > Think I missed something here. How do you tab to the preview pane. If I > don't interact with messages, I just get the row. The preview pane is in a > scroll area below, and I'm using Vo-j to check it out. Sometimes, I can hit > enter, and it reads. At other times, I'll hit enter and then have to > interact with the scroll area to read. A real PITA for sure. > If anyone understands what's happening here, feel free to chime in. My apple > trainer didn't really get why it was happening. > TIA > > > Carolyn Haas > chaas0...@gmail.com > > > > On Oct 15, 2010, at 12:59 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote: > >> John, >> >> This is great -- sure beats either vo-j or control-touch. And imho vo-a >> kind of sucks because one must totally remove the right hand from the home >> keys to pull it off, unless you want to remap an option key to the right on >> a Macbook and confuse people when they need to use it. Two finger flick >> down seems to be the choice here. >> >> Really glad to know about tabing to the preview pane though -- surprised I >> didn't already discover that!! >> Geoff >> On Oct 15, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >> >>> A >>> 2. VO-A will generally work the same as read from cursor. (I think of >>> it as read all, as a mnemonic), but that is probably from earlier >>> versions of VoiceOver. >>> >>> Jon >>> couple of points here. >>> >>> 1. Using the tab / shift-tab works well from shifting between the >>> preview and the list of mail items. >>> >>> On 15/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER <geoff.waa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I tried this technique, but decided to restore the default of showing the >>>> headers because for me it seems more efficient to exploit the preview pane. >>>> >>>> Under the navigation tab of voiceOver utility I unchecked the box labeled: >>>> "Automatically interact when using tab key". This way I am not interacting >>>> with the mailbox view, and all fields usually are announced as was the case >>>> with Outlook. In the event that VO only says "blank" I can either press up >>>> and down arrow or read the fields with "move right" (vo+arrow keys or >>>> left/right flicks via trackpad commander) to ascertain the information. >>>> >>>> To read in the preview pane I can press either trackpad touch + control or >>>> vo+j. For some reason the text is only read automatically when I use the >>>> latter even though they are purportedly equivelent, but I digress. I >>>> generally use the trackpad to quickly skim a message. This way I can >>>> quickly skip the junk at the top about reading in a web browser, etc. Also >>>> the two finger flick down will read to the end or two finger flick up reads >>>> from the top. Not sure what the keyboard equivelent is for this -- >>>> probably >>>> involves a twenty key combination <smile>. >>>> >>>> Take care. >>>> Geoff. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Neil. >>>>> >>>>> When you go to the view Menu, make sure that the headers are none so when >>>>> you open a thread your message reads automaticly and you do shict command >>>>> h and you voice over lect arrow to get to your headers and interact if you >>>>> want to know who the message is from. >>>>> >>>>> Kawal. >>>>> >>>>> Kawal Gucukoglu >>>>> >>>>> On 15 Oct 2010, at 12:18 PM, Dan Eickmeier <va3ets2...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes it certainly is. SImply go to the view menu, and check organize by >>>>>> thread. >>>>>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 7:10 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> is it possible in Mac Mail to have mail items sorted into conversation >>>>>>> view, >>>>>>> in OutLook what this does is thread each set of messages by subject, so >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> you can delete entire threads if you wish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use this view all the time in OutLook for dealing with the mail >>>>>>> address I >>>>>>> have subscribed to the mailing lists that I am part of. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Neil Barnfather >>>>>>> Talks List Administrator >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>>>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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