Garry, although VO certainly works better with the Terminal than it has and 
does a great job for the limited things I need it for, I have not found it to 
be quite the entire replacement for Speakup and the shell. I hope someone does 
have other suggestions. 
On Sep 16, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Garry Turkington wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> That's exactly what I've been doing, though currently with VMware
> Workstation on a Windows host.  I have Fusion on my personal MBP but
> may have some issues putting a VM atop my Mac at work.
> 
> Given the Mac is built atop Unix and VO almost works with terminal
> though I'd really prefer to have a single OS solution, hence the query
> if anyone has found ways of optimising the VO/terminal experience.
> 
> Thanks,
> Garry
> 
> On 9/16/10, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My opinion is that you use something like VMWare's Fusion and setup a simple
>> Linux distro with Speakup and perform your shell-based activities there.
>> On Sep 16, 2010, at 4:57 AM, Garry Turkington wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Every so often I try moving my terminal-related activities from either
>>> a Windows or Linux box to the Mac.  And each time I find the
>>> interaction between VO and the Mac terminal sufficiently frustrating
>>> that I give up for another 6 months.
>>> 
>>> After just changing jobs I'm trying to rationalise my IT usage and
>>> right now this is the biggest thing I'm not doing on the Mac.  In
>>> particular I need access a lot of remote Linux boxes, where I'm doing
>>> various types of development, sysadmin, operational deployments and
>>> support, all that good stuff.
>>> 
>>> What I really look for in terms of access to such an environment is
>>> two things in particular; accurate cursor tracking while in editors
>>> (or indeed editing CLI strings) and automatic feedback after typing
>>> shell commands.
>>> 
>>> On the former I've used vim and nano remotely and the best I can get
>>> is semi-accurate cursor tracking, though after cursoring around a bit
>>> I often get spurious results, different parts of the window read, a
>>> skew on the character under the cursor, that sort of thing.
>>> 
>>> For the latter I find myself often doing a very long series of shell
>>> commands which have short output strings and having to physically use
>>> VO to review each time starts to be a timesink when I'm doing it
>>> hundreds of times a day.
>>> 
>>> I've also seen VO crash hard when doing terminal reviewing which also
>>> doesn't help!
>>> 
>>> So has anyone found particular terminal settings to alleviate any of
>>> these issues?  Or indeed found different approaches to my desires that
>>> I'm possibly not considering.  I know people here have had success
>>> with things like Mac Vim (thanks to Esther for the tip) and I guess I
>>> could use that remotely if I used one of the tools to remotely mount a
>>> filesystem via SSH but given I need access a whole bunch of machines
>>> it's likely not practical.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts very welcomed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Garry
>>> 
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