My school mail is Microsoft Exchange and I get it on the Mac running Snow Leopard. On Jun 18, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> Fair comments... However, wasn't Exchange support added to Mail with Snow > Leopard? > > Whilst there is a smaller audience on the Mac front who are not requesting > VoiceOver support from Developers yet there will quite a wait before we start > to see more accessible stuff. Windows has had JAWS, Windows Eyes etc for > many many years. VoiceOver is only 5 years old and in my opinion it only > became usable fully in October last year. So I think we are doing pretty well > all things considered. But I will soon be dipping my toe into the Windows > world of accessibility at work. > > I do hope Logic Pro gains voice over support and Sound Studio etc to help > rebalance the situation when it comes to audio. Don't expect support for > Reason or record though, the developers have told that it is something they > will not be doing. This is where JAWS can have an advantage of VoiceOver, as > scripts can be made to over come this. > On 19 Jun 2010, at 00:57, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> I like the Mac, too, but it can't do everything. >> >> For music and audio production, we now have Pro Tools, but, for many tasks, >> software systems under Windows like Sonar still have superior access. So, >> for now, I run Sonar in BootCamp. >> >> I run a small business, and use Outlook and Excel extensively. Mac Mail >> doesn't have any server solution like Exchange. Numbers might be a >> replacement for Excel, but I have a huge set of templates built up in Excel >> that I haven't spent the time to convert. >> >> There are practically no accessible games for the Mac. The only ones that >> partly work are Audio Quake and Sound RTS, and those take a huge amount of >> manual hackery to get going. On Windows, there are several first person >> shooters (single and network player), RPG games, racing games, strategy/war >> games, board and card games, etc. If you have a Mac, and you want to use any >> of that, you need Windows. >> >> Plus, there is other specialty software like Klango and TeamTalk that aren't >> available for the Mac. >> >> I realize that this next remark could be taken badly. So, I want you to know >> that I'm trying to say it as constructively as possible. I might be wrong, >> but it is my understanding that you got one of the jobs that Apple posted >> recently. Congratulations. However, you'll poorly serve yourself and your >> employer if you allow your knowledge of accessible computing to start and >> stop with OS X. You can't evaluate your work unless you know the works of >> others such that you can judge your relative success. When I was at >> Microsoft, for example, people routinely had secondary machines in their >> offices that ran other OSes (like Linux variants). This was encouraged. If >> everyone lives in their own little bubble, surrounded by other people at the >> same company that also share the same little bubble, then entire trends can >> come and go in the outside world without them even noticing. >> >> If you're doing something accessibility related at Apple, then you should >> have Windows installed on a computer that you must routinely use for some >> required task, so that you'll force yourself to use it. You don't need to >> get Jaws. Get Window Eyes. get System Access. The point is to make yourself >> do something in Windows world so that you can have experience with what they >> get right, and what they get wrong. >> >> Anyway, I hope that you didn't get too upset by my response, either. I don't >> want to be critical, but, if you're trying to improve the accessibility >> situation on the Mac, you must know what others are trying. It isn't enough >> to only live in Mac world. >> >> Bryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McLean >> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:19 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: installing windows on macs? What are the >> advantages/why do people opt for this? >> >> The only thing I use Windows for, and the only reason I installed it on the >> Mac as a Vm, is to use Winamp. I like Vlc but I just haven't found anything >> I like as well as Winamp. >> Also I've been a Windows used since the mid 90s so there are still a few >> times such as now with the Audible/Safari problem where it is just more >> convenient to go back to Windows temporarily. >> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Olivia, >>> >>> Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been >>> Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we >>> already own that expensive third-party software. :) >>> >>> Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of >>> out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. >>> I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive >>> 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon >>> Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right >>> now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to >>> commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with >>> Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old >>> Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read >>> much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, >>> which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio >>> captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, >>> at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, >>> in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I >>> had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I >>> still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. >>> But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a >>> dual-boot system on your Mac. >>> >>> I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows >>> machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. >>> Take care, >>> Donna >>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just >>>> don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what >>>> they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience >>>> with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the >>>> trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't >>>> accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third >>>> party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as >>>> purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're >>>> going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access >>>> solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users >>>> prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating >>>> systems? >>>> I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in >>>> knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? >>>> Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good >>>> reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they >>>> are! >>>> Olivia >>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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