One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based
file management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well
with speech called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of
them out there now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I
bet it would be pretty nice.
On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote:
> Hi Vic,
>
> I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock,
> or your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut
> for the Utilities folder), then pressing "T" (to go to terminal),
> followed by Command-Down Arrow (to launch). The default Unix shell
> you're using supports tab completion of path and filenames. This means
> that you don't have to type out long file names or paths in full -- you
> only need to type as much of the file or folder name to uniquely specify
> the file or folder, and then press the tab key. Let's say that under
> your home directory you have a folder called "Documents" and another
> named "Downloads". You want to move to the Documents folder to examine
> some files by using the "cd" command in terminal to change your
> directory. On the command line in terminal, you only need to type "cd"
> (without quotes) followed by a space followed and then type the first
> few letters of the folder "D o c" and then press the tab key. When you
> press tab, the rest of the folder name will be supplied by the shell,
> and you only need to press the "Return" key to execute the command. If
> you had just typed "D o" and pressed tab, you would have been informed
> of the two folders that matched your entry, "Downloads" and "Documents",
> and then you would be presented with the command you had typed. You
> could then type the "c" and press tab (to successfully complete the
> command) and press "Return" to execute it.
>
> Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I
> would just type the parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the
> subfolders, and press tab to let the system complete the name. Each
> time I needed to move to a sub-folder, I would type a slash for the
> separator, then type a few letters of the start of the subdirectory
> name, then press tab, then continue until the full file path was laid
> out, at which point I would just press the "Return" key.
>
> For example, let's say I wanted to examine files within a folder under
> my home account named "Documents/Letters/March" and change to this
> directory in the terminal with the command:
> cd Documents/Letters/March
> I'd actually only type the initial "cd" command, a space, and then "D o
> c" before pressing the tab key to let the system fill in "Documents".
> Then I would type a slash symbol separator and the letter "L" (if there
> were no other sub-folders beginning with that letter), and press the tab
> key again to let the shell complete the path to now read
> "Documents/Letters". For the last subfolder I would type a slash symbol
> again, and the letters "M a r" and press tab. (This assumes that I also
> have a subfolder named "May" that needs to be distinguished from
> "March"). When the path is complete, I just press "Return" to execute
> the command to change directory to "Documents/Letters/March". I've only
> typed the letters "D o c", "L", and "M a r" out of the entire path.
>
> Another thing you can do is use Finder to locate the sub-folder "March",
> and copy the entry with Command-C. Then when you switch to Terminal,
> you type "cd" with a space, and then paste with Command-V, and press
> "Return". The pasted entry will be the full path name.
>
> You can copy and paste the paths to files and/or folders from Finder to
> Terminal. So you could also do this for the "mv" command, if you wanted
> to move a specific file to the folder, "Documents/Letters/March". When
> you do this the pasted path is the full path name (e.g. "/Users/<your
> account>/Documents/Letters/March").
>
> HTH. For more information about using the command line in terminal,
> check out the Take Control book, "Take Control of the Mac Command Line
> with Terminal" ($10.00 list price) by Joe Kissell which is available as
> a downloadable PDF file from the Take Control Web site at:
> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line
> The web page describes the book's contents and links a sample excerpt.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Tinker Tweak wrote:
>
>
> > Larry,
> >
> > Yes! I just saw the terminal application just tonight. I have the
> > feeling
> > that that is something like a command line with a GUI interface. I
> > think
> > I'll thrive in it cause I used to be so very comfortable in DOS. Now I
> > have
> > to learn the syntax for this OS. Typeing long path and file names will
> > be
> > interesting though. Were I 20 years younger, I'd just teach myself
> > programming in this platform but now programming was a life lived and
> > not a
> > life I'd want to have again.Awe, that old life with ASAP and Pascal
> >
> > Thank you and so good to have met you here.
> > Vic
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Skutchan
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: files and folders
> >
> > Vic, here is a quick and more powerful way to move files and folders.
> > Go to the terminal application and learn the file and folder layout
> > there.
> > You can use the mv command to do what you need in a very powerful way
> > indeed.
> > On May 9, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Hi Anne,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info. I have been meaning to try Automator out for a
> > > while,
> > >
> > but just never seem to quite get to it. I followed the instructions
> > and
> > although it worked, I continue to get some critical error that seems
> > to not
> > affect the operation for the most part. I think I need to understand
> > what is
> > going on on the backend and that will make this much easier. In other
> > words,
> > if I learn the scripting that goes on behind the scenes, I will be
> > able to
> > understand what automator is doing. However, very cool and just
> > looking at
> > what is available in the automator, it is very powerful and now I have
> > the
> > push I needed to find time to study this.
> >
> > > THanks,
> > > On May 9, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello Vic,
> > > >
> > > > Here's an Automator work flow to do what you want. It was posted
> > > > by Yuma
> > > >
> > Antoine Decaux a little while ago.
> >
> > > > 1- Open Automator
> > > > 2-It will ask you to choose from a template. Right arrow until you
> > > > find
> > > >
> > services, then press return.
> >
> > > > 3-at this stage, VO should say name. VO right arrow until you are
> > > > on the
> > > >
> > actions description split view. interact with it
> >
> > > > 4-you should be now in action library view. interact with it. Its
> > > > an
> > > >
> > expandable element. go down to files and folders.
> >
> > > > 5-VO right arrow till you get to the actions, and choose down the
> > > > list to
> > > >
> > move finder items. Note:at this stage, things might seem a bit
> > sluggish, but
> > it will go away, and only happens once every 3rd session.
> >
> > > > 6-press return. you should now have created an action to define,
> > > > and VO
> > > >
> > should say move finder items. Interact with it
> >
> > > > 7-VO left until VO says text in service action selected any
> > > > application
> > > >
> > replaces selected text. This is a group you interact with, in which
> > there
> > are static texts and pressable dropbox menus.
> >
> > > > 8-VO to text, VO space bar and choose files and folders in the
> > > > list. Then
> > > >
> > VO right to any applications, VO space bar again and choose finder in
> > the
> > list of choices.
> >
> > > > 9-stop interacting with the group, VO right to move finder items,
> > > > and
> > > >
> > interact with that.
> >
> > > > 10-go right until you find the options check box. check it.
> > > > -11-VO right to show this action when the workflow runs.
> > > > 13-save the file with command S, call the service whatever you
> > > > want.
> > > >
> > > > You will now have a service for moving files and folders in your
> > > >
> > contextual menu VO shift M, or control mouse click.
> >
> > > > If you want something faster than a contextual menu, you can bind
> > > > the
> > > >
> > automator service to a keypress.
> >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > > >
> > > > On May 9, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm really thunderstruck and I don't know what to say. How does
> > > > > one do
> > > > > without this basic function of computing then?I think I don't
> > > > > like the
> > > > > derection this is headed but I am here now so what would be my
> > > > > options
> > > > > towards getting my work done in an efficient manner?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, thanks for any help.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vic
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
> > > > > Alawami
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:53 AM
> > > > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: files and folders
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > .sadly you cannot cut and paste. I don't like it but that's just
> > > > > the way
> > > > >
> > it
> >
> > > > > is.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > take care.
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 9, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > First I tried command-x only to realize that it is dimmed out on
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > edit
> >
> > > > > menu. Command-c and command-v works though but without the
> > > > > command-x, I
> > > > >
> > have
> >
> > > > > to go back to the folder where I coppied the files to delete all
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > files I
> >
> > > > > just copied to the other folder. It is taking so much time cause
> > > > > it is
> > > > > acctually copying the files instead of just changing the point
> > > > > of
> > > > >
> > reference
> >
> > > > > as command-x then command-c will do. Is there a setting I am
> > > > > missing?
> > > > >
> > Why is
> >
> > > > > my edit menu having this dimmed item? It is tedious to be going
> > > > > back and
> > > > > forth folders first to select then copy, go to another folder
> > > > > and
> > > > >
> > paste,
> >
> > > > > then go back to the source files and delete but right now, that
> > > > > is the
> > > > >
> > only
> >
> > > > > way I know And there is very little I do know cause it is all
> > > > > new to me.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The second that I tried is to learn or at least try my skills at
> > > > > drag
> > > > >
> > and
> >
> > > > > drop but I haven't gotten the hang of it yet so far. What am I
> > > > > doing
> > > > >
> > wrong?
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRob Lambert
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:57 AM
> > > > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: files and folders
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What methods have you tried thus far?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Tinker Tweak
> > > > > <tinkertw...@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > > Hi All!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a new Apple switcher and I like it very much. Its just been
> > > > > a week
> > > > >
> > since
> >
> > > > > I got a new Macbook pro and I've been learning fairly quickly if
> > > > > I may
> > > > >
> > say
> >
> > > > > so myself. I love challenges and this thing about learning the
> > > > > operating
> > > > > system plus its screen reader surely qualifies for one big
> > > > > challenge
> > > > >
> > indeed.
> >
> > > > > So far I've been doing very well until I ran into a problem with
> > > > > cutting
> > > > >
> > and
> >
> > > > > pasting with in the Finder. I can't make it to work no matter
> > > > > how I
> > > > >
> > try. I
> >
> > > > > have to learn how to do this cause my work involves moving lots
> > > > > and
> > > > >
> > lots of
> >
> > > > > files and folders all day. I'd truly appreciate it if someone
> > > > > can help
> > > > >
> > me
> >
> > > > > learn how to move files and folders.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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