Thanks so much! I knew you'd have a work around! :) Olivia On May 11, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Esther wrote:
> Hi Olivia, > > You need to set a hot spot if you want to go back to the same location in > Preview after shifting to another app. Before you navigate away from Preview, > press VO-Shift-1 (or any other number key that you want to assign to th hot > spot). You'll hear VoiceOver say, "Save as hotspot 1". Then, you can switch > applications with Command-tab, do something else, and when you return to > Preview press VO-1 to get back to your hot spot location so you can resume > reading where you left off. This is a workaround, and the hot spot won't be > saved if you have to restart VoiceOver or if you log out. > > This is a bug in Preview. Preview is one of the few apps that, at least with > respect to VoiceOver Navigation and focus on this point, behaved better in > Tiger than in Leopard. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On 11 May 2010, at 09:56, olivia norman wrote: > >> Interesting. I also find that I loose focus when I navigate to another >> application. For instance, if I am reading a PDF in prieview, and go to text >> edit to take notes on what I'm reading, when I return to the PDF, I am >> placed back at the beginning of the document. This makes reading articles a >> frustrating experience at times. Is there a work around for this? >> Thanks! >> Olivia >> On May 11, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> As Marie says, the key is interacting with the text in Preview. If you >>> can't read continuously after interacting, check your PDF Display settings >>> under the View menu on Preview's menu bar (VO-M to the menu bar, press "V" >>> to go to the View menu, arrow down, press "P" to go to PDF Display, right >>> arrow to the submenu, then arrow down to see which display mode is checked. >>> The default is "Single Page Continuous". If "Single Page" is checked, >>> VoiceOver will stop reading at the end of each page. This setting can be >>> useful if, for some reason your PDF book starts reading each page in the >>> middle due to a conversion or format problem. >>> >>> In Preview you can Command-Right arrow to move to the next page, >>> Command-Left arrow to move the previous page. Also, if your PDF supports >>> Table of Contents organization, and you have navigated and interacted with >>> the Outline View where the contents are listed and selected a section >>> (e.g., for one of the Take Control guides, after downloading and opening >>> the eBook in Preview, tab to "Outline View, Table, no selection"; >>> interact, and select a section, then stop interacting and VO-Left arrow to >>> the main document section of Preview, you can then use Command-Up arrow to >>> move to the start of the previous chapter and Command-Down arrow to move >>> the start of the next chapter. These correspond to the places you would >>> select by navigating up and down in the Outline View. If the sidebar is >>> not showing "Outline" view, but is instead displaying "thumbnails" or >>> "search results" because you used Command-F to find a string in the >>> document, you can use item chooser menu to search for "Menu Button" (e.g., >>> VO-I, then type "b u t", press return, and arrow down to the selection and >>> either press return or VO-Space), then bring up the contextual menu >>> (VO-Shift-M) and arrow up to "Table of Contents". VO-Up arrow to the >>> Outline view, interact, and select a section from the contents. This only >>> works if the PDF document was constructed with a viewable table of contents >>> -- you won't find this menu option in PDF files you simply create by >>> printing with Command-P and saving to PDF. >>> >>> Olivia, I don't know whether the "new keyboards" you were asking about are >>> laptop type keyboards without the page up and page down keys, but I'll >>> paste in part of an old post describing how pressing the Fn key in >>> combination with the arrow keys can generate the Home, End, Page Up, and >>> Page Down keys of full keyboards. >>>> Hello Carolyn, Phil, and Others On any MacBook, MacBook Pro, or other >>>> laptops such as the earlier PowerBook and iBook series, the Home, End, >>>> Page Up, and Page Down keys can be accessed by pressing the Fn key in >>>> conjunction with the Arrow keys. The easy way to check this for yourself >>>> is by turning on VoiceOver's keyboard help (VO-K), then hold down the Fn >>>> key and press each of the arrow keys in succession. You'll hear: Fn+Left >>>> Arrow "Home" Fn+Right Arrow "End" Fn+Up Arrow "Page Up" Fn+Down Arrow >>>> "Page Down" and, if I can add a couple of other keys on the right side of >>>> the laptop keyboard, pressed together with the Fn key: Fn+Delete "Forward >>>> Delete" Fn+Return "Enter" The consequences of this are that commands to go >>>> to the beginning or end of a list or table, like VO-Home and VO-End, or >>>> VO-Shift-Home and VO-Shift-End to move to the first or last word in a list >>>> or table with scrolling, is that a laptop user, after interacting, will >>>> use: VO+Fn+Left Arrow to move to the first visible word in a list, table, >>>> or web page VO+Fn+Right Arrow to move to the last visible word in a list, >>>> table, or web page In a table like the Mail messages table or the Songs >>>> table of iTunes, where the list is longer than the visible page, you will >>>> want to use scrolling to move to the actual start or end of the list, and >>>> will also need to press the Shift key with this combination: >>>> VO+Fn+Shift+Left Arrow to move to the first word in a list or table with >>>> scrolling VO+Fn+Shift+Right Arrow to move to the last word in a list or >>>> table with scrolling after interacting with said list or table. Other >>>> consequences of the Fn key usage are that when using TextEdit on a Mac >>>> laptop, you can use: Fn+Down Arrow to move down a page in a document Fn+Up >>>> Arrow to move up a page in a document Fn+Delete to forward delete a >>>> character All these Fn+key combinations for laptops are specific to Mac OS >>>> X, and do not depend on using VoiceOver. HTH Cheers, Esther >>> On 11 May 2010, at 04:46, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>> >>>> See, I knew I was missing something. Yes, Marie, interacting with the >>>> text works great. :) >>>> >>>> Olivia, the only thing I could think of is to use the "go to page" >>>> function, command-shift-g. No page functions on the new keyboards? >>>> That's very odd. >>>> >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> On May 11, 7:11 am, marie Howarth <marie.jane2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> to use VO-A once moving away from the start of the document. Try >>>>> interacting with the text. That helps in other apps for me. >>>>> >>>>> On 11 May 2010, at 15:02, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, folk, >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure if I'm missing something fundamental here, but the only way >>>>>> I can read a document in Preview is to press VO-A to start, then when it >>>>>> reaches the end of the page, I press page-down and then space when it >>>>>> says "next". When it reaches a subsequent page, I can only move to the >>>>>> text again by using VO-right-arrow to read. If I press VO-A again, it >>>>>> starts from the beginning of the document. Can someone point me to how I >>>>>> can read a document from start to finish, even if it is page-by-page? >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Teresa >>>>> >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
