Brad, I think that depends on your perspective. The value of any quality or object is always, at least to some extent, subjective, and is partially defined by the perceptions of the user/consumer—think VHS and Betamax from back in the 80s. Betamax was widely considered to be superior, but VHS ended up dominating the market. In this case, if I were a guy—and hence larger—if I had larger hands, or if I didn’t have arthritis in both thumbs, the value I place on having a lighter, thinner phone would probably be very different. I’m not saying that I’m convinced that it's worth it, just that it might be more worth it to me than it is to you. I loved the 12 mini, but as we know, I was in the minority. Hence there was no 13, 14, or 16 mini. I also recognize that the Pro lineup is, by objective standards, superior both to the mini and the Air. Still I had a more comfortable experience with the mini. Whether that will also be true of the Air remains to be seen. Cheers, Donna
> On Sep 23, 2025, at 8:06 AM, Brad Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: > > While the second generation of a device is usually an improvement over the > first generation of a device, the fact remains that the increased price most > likely will not make up for the compromises made with the air just because it > is a thin device. > > - Brad - > > On Sep 23, 2025, at 07:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <[email protected]> wrote: > > That’s a fair point, Brad. The other thing I keep thinking is that if I > just sit tight and wait a year for my upgrade, the next generation iPhone Air > is likely to be better than this one. > Cheers, > Donna > >> On Sep 23, 2025, at 6:52 AM, Brad Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> What was not mentioned is that the iPhone Air is $200 more than the standard >> iPhone 17, and only $100 less than the iPhone 17 Pro. >> I think there are too many compromises in the iPhone Air to make it worth >> the price, especially when compared to the value in the other iPhone 17 >> models. >> >> - Brad - >> >> On Sep 23, 2025, at 06:18, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> J?rgen Fleger writes: >>> ... ... >>> Firstly it's only mono because it only has one speaker. 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